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jrcmlc 07-24-2006 02:43 AM

DIY bluetooth parts?
 
I found a bluetooth ulf, part # 84.10 912843-01 on ebay, this part doesn't show up as a valid # for any of the 9 generations of bluetooth ulfs..? Why?

Is it possible to buy this part and some sort of install kit from a dealer and DIY it instead of having to buy a full kit from EAS or other?

Thanks for any help.

Joe Clark

Brian-bmw 07-24-2006 06:37 AM

That part number is a BMW Assist BT module. It may not have the built-in voice recognition function, like the "normal" Bluetooth modules. It is definately worth asking the seller if the module had VR (also know as SES).

Depending on the year and model of your car, BMW offers a variety of retrofit kits. Plus, if BMW does not have standard kit, you can get a retrofit kit for a similar module and adapt it to your car.

jrcmlc 07-24-2006 06:35 PM

The seller indicates that it does do SES and/or VR. Is this an item that I can buy to use in a DIY kit? What else is needed?

joe

Brian-bmw 07-24-2006 08:51 PM

What model and year car do you have?

jrcmlc 07-24-2006 09:53 PM

02 manufactured 2/02.

Thanks,

Joe

Tom G. 07-25-2006 01:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrcmlc
02 manufactured 2/02.

Thanks,

Joe

Joe,

How much are they asking for the part? The money can be better spent on a BT retrofit w/ integrated Voice Activation:

BMW Bluetooth Retrofit Kit for e53 X5
http://www.europeanautosource.com/pr...roducts_id=301

Brian-bmw 07-26-2006 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrcmlc
02 manufactured 2/02.

Thanks,

Joe

In addition to the BT module, you need a BT antenna, BT antenna cable, phone eject box, and adapters for the BT module and eject box. (If your car was built on or after 04/02, then it would plug straight in with no adapters.)

I do not have my ETK handy, but BMW makes a kit for around $250 that has pretty much everything you need (adapters, eject box, antenna, etc.) except the module. Your local dealer should be able to find the kit PN for your car.

jrcmlc 07-26-2006 11:44 PM

Well, I bought this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=200008941542

And it appears that I'll have to buy some other parts, as stated above. I understand about the full bluetooth retrofit that you sell, Tom, but I guess I fail to see the big diff. between buying your kit and making your own?

Also, Brian, If you could tell me what parts I need to make the above work in my car, 02/02 x5 4.4i, that would be great, as I can't get my local dealer to tell me much of anything.

Tom, if you want to reply to me privately in addition to my other email to you about a seperate issue, that would be fine. I can always resell this item, it just seemed like a good deal.

Thanks guys for your ongoing help.

Joe

benathon 07-27-2006 01:25 AM

I hope it's a assist/bluetooth combo module you got. I have a feeling that it might just be a assist model...

Tom G. 07-27-2006 03:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrcmlc
Well, I bought this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=200008941542

And it appears that I'll have to buy some other parts, as stated above. I understand about the full bluetooth retrofit that you sell, Tom, but I guess I fail to see the big diff. between buying your kit and making your own?

Bad news - that is a TCU module, not Bluetooth. It cannot be used with a bluetooth installation.

Keep in mind that the BMW parts counter has a parts freeze on all generations of ULF modules until all the 1st Generations are sold. If you get one at a parts counter - chances are they are the old 1st Gen modules, these are not recommended for use - they ceased production of these models in 6/03.

The 1st Generation modules do not offer SMS Text Messaging (if your carrier supports it) or Notepad features. If you have Navigation, a 1st Generation module will not offer voice navigation. The new 9th Generation modules started about a month ago - get the newest technology you can for the price. We even include the new 2nd Generation microphones with the kits which offer better noise cancellation and audio quality.

For something of this caliber - make sure you are getting the most up to date equipment for your vehicle. Getting an over-the-counter kit with the 1st Generation ULF is equivalent to buying a tape player for your X5. It's already obsolete.

As always, feel free to contact me with any questions you might have.

Brian-bmw 07-27-2006 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom G.
Bad news - that is a TCU module, not Bluetooth. It cannot be used with a bluetooth installation.

It has the Bluetooth logo on the parts sticker. I am pretty certain that this will work with a BT installation. The only major question is whether it is one of the newer combo assist modules that has built-in VR.

jrcmlc 07-27-2006 10:48 AM

Brian,

I bought this based on your info telling me it was a bluetooth module and to be sure it did VR. He indicates that it most certainly did. Based on the information they and I have provided can you tell me what else I'm going to need and/or validate that it'll work for my application?

Thank you for any help.

Joe

Brian-bmw 07-29-2006 05:21 PM

In addition to the main communicatino module, you will also need a microphone, BT antenna, BT antenna cable, eject box, adapter cables for the eject box and ULF/assist module. BMW makes conversion kits for the E38, E39, and E46, so I am pretty sure that they also make a conversion kit for the X5 of your manufacture date. I just do not know the X5 part number. These are the individual parts that I think you need for your car. Plus, for reference sake, I also list the E38 and E39 kit part numbers (the kits have all of the individual parts and then some). Finally, try contacting Jonathan Vanderwarf at BMW N Scottsdale, [email protected]. He knows the BT retrofit kits pretty well.

E38 Installation Kit 84.11-0 390 316
E39 Installation Kit (9/2000-2/2002) 84.11-0 390 318
E39 Installation Kit (3/2002-on) 84.11-0 302 647

Bluetooth Antenna 84.50-6 928 461
Bluetooth Antenna Cable 61.12-0 137 616
Eject Box with Tray 84.21-6 933 415
EL0 18 pin Adapter 84.12-0 308 373
FAKRA Antenna Adapter 84.32-0 027 140
Microphone 84.31-6 938 762
Owner's Manual For Voice Input System 84.11-0 027 942
ULF D-Sub Adapter 84.12-0 308 375
ULF Owner's Manual 84.11-0 302 638
ULF Passkey Reference Card 84.11-0 302 646

jrcmlc 07-29-2006 07:01 PM

Thanks for the info, I called my local dealer and they said there was a bluetooth install kit for an 03 x5, which I think the only diff. was the s640a option, which I have, so it should be the same I would think. Yes/no? My car apparently had/has assist and the timeport setup, so I should have a microphone, correct?

Does this option (the tel. prewiring) affect which parts I'll need? Any other input is greatly appreciated.

Joe Clark

UCrewX5 07-29-2006 07:12 PM

See http://www.xoutpost.com/articles/all-...03-bmw-x5.html for retrofit details on a 2003 X5.

Tom G. 07-29-2006 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrcmlc
Thanks for the info, I called my local dealer and they said there was a bluetooth install kit for an 03 x5, which I think the only diff. was the s640a option, which I have, so it should be the same I would think. Yes/no? My car apparently had/has assist and the timeport setup, so I should have a microphone, correct?

Does this option (the tel. prewiring) affect which parts I'll need? Any other input is greatly appreciated.

Joe Clark

Got your PM and responded. :thumbup:

jrcmlc 07-29-2006 07:24 PM

ucrewx5...

Yes, I've seen that and I imagine it'll be very helpful, however, I still have a few questions.

I have a purple and black connector in the back of my x5 now, tomg says it's for the timeport setup that I have already...and I had/have assist, so I don't need to add a microphone, or do I?

Is the s640a option the only thing that makes an 03 diff. from an 02 as far as the bluetooth retrofit goes?

Thanks for any addl. help.

Joe

UCrewX5 07-29-2006 08:05 PM

If you already have Assist and/or a BMW phone system such as the CPT8000 (timeport) then you have the microphone and don't need to add it. The purple and black connector should be the connection for the antenna, as I recall.

jrcmlc 07-29-2006 08:31 PM

So, Brian, Ucrew, TomG, all...

The parts list:

Bluetooth Antenna 84.50-6 928 461
Bluetooth Antenna Cable 61.12-0 137 616

Eject Box with Tray 84.21-6 933 415--Do I need this to pair or what? what if I want to keep my phone in my pocket? I have a tray already, is there something I'm missing here?

EL0 18 pin Adapter 84.12-0 308 373
FAKRA Antenna Adapter 84.32-0 027 140

Microphone 84.31-6 938 762--Don't Need
Owner's Manual For Voice Input System 84.11-0 027 942-Do I really need?

ULF D-Sub Adapter 84.12-0 308 375
ULF Owner's Manual 84.11-0 302 638--Do I really need?
ULF Passkey Reference Card 84.11-0 302 646--Do I really need?

Can you guys comment any further on additions or removals of parts on this list?

Thank you again.

Joe

UCrewX5 07-29-2006 08:49 PM

Bluetooth Antenna 84.50-6 928 461
Bluetooth Antenna Cable 61.12-0 137 616

Eject Box with Tray 84.21-6 933 415--Do I need this to pair or what? what if I want to keep my phone in my pocket? I have a tray already, is there something I'm missing here? Yes, you need this in order to pair the phone

EL0 18 pin Adapter 84.12-0 308 373
FAKRA Antenna Adapter 84.32-0 027 140

Microphone 84.31-6 938 762--Don't Need Correct, not needed
Owner's Manual For Voice Input System 84.11-0 027 942-Do I really need? No, not needed

ULF D-Sub Adapter 84.12-0 308 375
ULF Owner's Manual 84.11-0 302 638--Do I really need? No, not needed
ULF Passkey Reference Card 84.11-0 302 646--Do I really need? No, not needed - the pass key is written on the ULF itself.

jrcmlc 07-29-2006 08:57 PM

THanks very much for that reply, that probably narrows down some of what's included in the "install kit" I'd guess...so if I order the parts listed above that I need, is there anything else I should be looking at? I'm not trying to beat a dead horse but I'm in the middle of a sirius install and it's one part after another that's needed to do it DIY (yes, it's easier to do a kit but not as much of a challenge).

So, do I need a mounting cage, bracket, anything for the bluetooth module? The cradle in the center console...the phone really doesn't fit in there, it just has a button to pair the phone, correct?

The antenna and antenna cable plug into where my purple connector is now, I guess?

Thanks again,

Joe Clark

UCrewX5 07-29-2006 09:02 PM

You can mount it as shown in IFlyX5's article for a 2003 using the BMW bracket, or you can mount it as I did in my article for a 2001 retrofit. My install didn't require a separate bracket - http://www.xoutpost.com/articles/all-...01-bmw-x5.html

The cradle in the console has the button for pairing the phone. It also accepts the snap-in adaptor for certain phones, should you decide to go that route down the road.

jrcmlc 07-29-2006 09:27 PM

My problem is that I don't have the black bracket for the DVD nav unit so I don't have a ready-made place to mount the antenna like it shows there, but apparently the bt module bracket doesn't require it, it mounts below, so I'll probably get it....any suggestions on the other items such as the antenna? Just zip tie it out of the way or what?

Joe

jrcmlc 07-30-2006 12:10 AM

Also, on the same page as my other concerns, this unit I bought is an 06 unit that is a combo bt/assist module. It appears from my reading that 05 and up units didn't have a pair button at all...so, how is this supposed to work and what parts do I need/not need with this in mind?

Thanks,

Joe Clark

UCrewX5 07-30-2006 12:14 AM

I pretty sure the Motorola combo Assist/BT module won't work in an X5 produced before April of 2004. You need a Visteon BT module for a 2003.

jrcmlc 07-30-2006 02:08 AM

What is the limitation? I mean, what makes 2004+ vehicles work with this unit while other, older units won't? Is it something I can replace or should I just re-ebay this module and look for a std. part #'d ulf module?

Thanks,

Joe Clark

Tom G. 07-30-2006 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrcmlc
What is the limitation? I mean, what makes 2004+ vehicles work with this unit while other, older units won't? Is it something I can replace or should I just re-ebay this module and look for a std. part #'d ulf module?

Thanks,

Joe Clark

Honest opinion? I would place the item back on eBay and get the retrofit kit (whether it be ours or someone else's). With our kit, you wil receive the newest pieces available for the retrofit and have a guaranteed working kit.

Piecing together kits can cause wasted time and fustration unless you have experience in the field, we have retrofit kits that have a lot of time and effort spent in making the install pain-free.


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