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Just because something isnt popular, doesnt mean it's not a good value. Seems to me that if people weren't happy with the car, there would be a bunch of CPO's on the lot. My opinion is that it is Americans reluctance to consider diesel cars that is holding sales back more than the quality of the car. Maybe diesel "trucks" are just more accepted. Test after test that compares the 335i and 335d show performance to be a wash overall with the i winning hi-revving track driving(by about .5 seconds a lap) while the d wins at low rpm real-world circumstances while getting ~10 mpg better. I have the X5d and if I was buying a 3 series, I would get the d in it too. That said, I honestly think all current 3 series models are overpriced compared to the competition. If I was buying today in that class, I would get the G37. I'm hoping the new 3 coming out will change my mind because I want to do ED in a few years, but at this point, the tiny gap in performance is not worth $15k+ to me. |
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There are two problems with the 335d;
1) It is expensive. To the tune of nearly double a pre-owned e90 328i. There were 80 used 335d's available in the US on Autotrader right now up to year 2010. The cheapest being $35,000+. You can get a couple year old 328i for about $20k +/-. You know how expensive gas would have to be to make up that difference? 2) No manual transmission available. The 3 series to me is an enthusiast type of car. I want it to feel sporty and I want it with a manual transmission. Although the torque would be great in the 335d, it's engine will not be the same silky smooth, high revver that the gasoline versions are. It would dissapoint in that aspect for me personally. A diesel in an SUV, like the X5, is a different story, because in an SUV, that torque is more important. Not only to get the extra mass of an SUV rolling, but for towing as well. I would be 100 times more likely to buy a diesel X5, than a diesel 3-series, or any car for that matter. I agree with JCL, BMW missed the mark by not offering the smaller engine diesels over here. I think BMW could have sold the 320d/325d much better than the 335d.
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I agree with your second point. If you have to have a stick, that obviously rules out the d. If you frequently red-line your car and flog it around, you will be more satisfied with the smooth gassers. If you're interested in mileage and want power without the high-revs and wear & tear, the d is the way to go. On your first point though, the 335 models should not be compared to 328 in a cost comparison. They are completely different vehicles. Saying the d costs more than the 328 is a "well duh" moment. That's like saying the X5M costs more than a used 3.0. |
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Of course, but the OP did ask about a manual 325i before you brought up the 335d. Like I said, cheapest used 335d on Autotrader is $35,000+. The average price for a 325i (manual) is about $18,000-$19,000. You have to consider the higher cost of the 335d if the 325i is enough car for his commute. Especially if the OP can buy two manual 325i's for the same price as the cheapest 335d.
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I used 2009 since it was a full year of production, and the OP asked about purchasing a used vehicle from 2005 to 2010. They were introduced in late 2008 IIRC. It is hard to get more recent figures, as BMW seems very reluctant to release them. They talk about the X5, as those figures have been pretty good. Figures from bmwblog.
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BMW was too caught up in trying to protect their performance image, IMO. If they had brought in a 320d, and been honest about it, selling reasonable performance with outstanding fuel economy, they could have sold many more, again, IMO. the 35d makes some sense in an X5 due to the very high weight of that vehicle. But in the new 2011 X3, a 20d would make more sense. Will they do it? Probably more likely they will stick the old 35d engine in there as well. Too bad. If I did get a new X3 or X1, a 20d model would by far be my preference.
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I don't disagree with you if he is OK with the lack of power in a 325. I read him bringing a manual into the equation as a way to get better mileage, not a requirement for performance. His son was the one who insisted on a stick. His original post asked about performance and fuel effeciency, of which the d is the perfect blend. I would not consider a 325 to be a "performance" based 3 series, but that's just my opinion. Obviously if a 325 would satisfy his needs/wants the dollars for the d would not be justified. |
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