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Old 05-11-2016, 11:47 PM
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Looking at purchasing a 2012 BMW X5 M

Just as the title says, I'm looking at purchasing a certified one owner 2012 BMW X5 M that's about 2 hours away from. This is not my first BMW and it's also not my first ///M vehicle (had a 2009 M6 that I purchased a few years ago that turned out to be a nightmare but that's another story). I'm pretty familiar with this particular car after pulling up the build sheet. It has almost every option except for the "cold weather" package...though it does have the headlight washers. I guess the original owner decided to go "a la carte" on that because it doesn't have the heated rear seats nor the heated steering wheel. Luckily, because of this site, I was able to track down everything I would need to add a heated steering wheel because that was almost a deal breaker. The heated steering wheel in my M6 spoiled me. The other thing he chose (and chose wrong in my opinion) is to go with the piano black trim instead of the carbon fiber. The CF trim from BMW is about 2k bucks! But I refuse to do a wrap and the CF interior trim is very well done and helps distinguish the inside from a normal X5. So by my tally, I am looking at spending 3k bucks on this car before I ever own it...minus what I get back from selling the original parts. Okay sorry I'm getting off topic here...

Basically the salesperson that I'm dealing with knows nothing about the car, not that he's incompetent, he just can't answer some of my questions. Such as, I saw in one of the picture the little triangle next to the Park symbol is on. And I know (thanks to my headache of a M6) that this could mean that the traction control is not working properly. So I asked him is there something wrong with the TC or was the car just not started when they took the picture? To which he replied that he honestly didn't know but the car was inspected and everything worked fine. The other anomaly I saw was that the wheels were black. Now, like I said, I've been around BMW's for a while and I have never seen one come from the factory with black wheels (not to say that they can't, I've just never seen it). I mean the wheels look OEM but I know they are quite a few companies out there that make knockoffs. And thankfully, once again, thanks to this forum I know how to make sure they are legit. What I'm thinking is that the original owner just chose to get them painted black like the paint job, and the seats, and the interior trim. But more than anything I just want to make sure they're OEM

To make a long story not quite so long, I'm just trying to see what advice you guys can give me before I go and make another 50k dollar mistake. In a perfect world I'd be able to just take it to BMW and let them do a courtesy inspection but I was informed last time that they will not do a courtesy inspection if I do not own the vehicle yet. I may just ask them if they would be willing to have it inspected by a certified BMW dealership to give me a little peace of mind. Never hurts to ask I guess. Anyway, thanks in advance for all you guys help. If there's anything else I should definitely look for please let me know.


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Old 05-11-2016, 11:56 PM
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Oh and this was my 09 M6 btw. She was fun while she lasted...


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Old 05-12-2016, 02:10 AM
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you understand that the 'certified' is a sham visual inspection, and an exteded warranty? Tires and brakes over 50% and a glossy detail.

DO NOT assume that the car has no issues.

It can have been in an accident; it can have had major repairs done poorly. (Worse if any repairs that were missed by the BMW delaer cause issues later, BMW will deny warranty coverage.)

Next, if the wheels were painted, you would think the BMW CPO would say "non stock wheels"..Nope, BMWNA will refuse to do anything. I recall this issue coming up in another thread

Ive also heard of dealers slapping pads only on a car to get it to CPO- and not replacing rotors. Ive also heard of them passing stuff under 50%, then the owner comes back and they say "hey, was fine when we inspected it."


Why not have a qualified shop do an inspection? Pay some money. Get a very critical eye on it. BMW dealers are some of the worst places for PPIs. Their job is to sell cars, not crap over the deals for their fellow dealers in the area....

Typically only the best cherries get CPOd- costs the dealer less to do it. BUT- not always. Some dogs get into the CPO and BMWNA will NOT stand with you if the dealer is cutting corners.
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Trust me I have no problem paying a 3rd party to have a look at the car. I just figure it would easier to convince them to let me take the car to an actual BMW dealership as opposed to Joe Schmo's Car Fixer. I guess all that's left is for the to take that good two hour drive so I can actually put my eyes on it and convince to get some type of unbiased inspection done on it.

And I couldn't agree with you more, the whole CPO is absolute shame! I bout my Ford Edge as a CPO, paid the premium for it, and it is an absolute piece of junk that is plagued with more problems than the 2005 Ford Escape it replaced. So yeah I'll never fall for that again. But this car isn't a CPO it's only a "certified one owner" car through carfax...which I also think is a joke.
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2hr drive is nothing, if you are willing to spend this much money i would even drive 8hrs to see it. The triangle could mean something small, like washer fluid low. Its just an indicator that tells you there is a message you should look at. Not to be confused with the big triangle of the traction control system, which will be where the P is.

Keep us posted, looks like a nice M
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The triangle with ! could be anything from seat belt reminder to low gas warning to service due, etc. etc. You can go to vehicle status in iDrive and check.

Is it a BMW dealer? I wouldn't buy an M from non-BMW dealer w/o original warranty. The CPO status has to be verified with BMW.

And I wouldn't worry much re wheels, if anything, you can always get a nice set of aftermarket forget ones or whatever.
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Old 05-12-2016, 02:05 PM
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. But this car isn't a CPO it's only a "certified one owner" car through carfax...which I also think is a joke.
Oh. Missed that.

So no warranty?

Id insist on a PPI- deal breaker for sure. There are a few ways to find a qualified shop- there is a lsiting of BMWCCA shops, and you can search here and elsewhere for "indy" and "texas" (or use your own google-fu) to find posts/threads that mention shops. And indy is far more likely to be open and critical of a dealers' car as compared to another BMW dealership....

Finally, now that I am re-parsing the OP...is this a BMW dealer selling it, or something else?

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Old 05-12-2016, 11:52 PM
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That's a big check on the triangle. The M6 had a manual transmission so I guess it looks a little different. But to answer a few questions, it is not at a BMW dealership and I asked about the warranty when I first talked to the guy and he said that typically it's only four years so if it does still have one, there isn't much time left on it.

So it looks like I'm just going to go ahead and take this two hour drive and see what the guy has to say and to look at a few things myself. I'll let the determining factor be if they will be willing to let a Indy dealer do a PPI for me. If they say no, then I walk. Simple as that. My M6 had a problem with the EDC which would also randomly turn off the traction control. I don't know how many of you have driven a 500hp car in the rain without traction control but it's not a nice feeling.

I'll keep everybody up to date and keep my fingers crossed that this doesn't turn into another fiasco.


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it was the other day I had a 5 series loaner and the tiny yellow triangle came ON right after the windshield empty water tank sent an 'empty' message
if I was you, i would ask for the VIN number and then with that number I would stop by a BMW dealership and ask them 'pretty' for all the records they have on that particular car.
I assume whatever went wrong with the car it would have been fixed by a BMW dealership (free under 50k) and all the records are in their system
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Been down that round before a few times. Both times they told me that unless I am the registered owner they can not give me any information about the car.

I ended up scrapping the whole idea after driving for two hours to get home there after work(mind you I've been working 12 hours nights nonstop for the past month). And even after tell them three times I would be coming, somehow the GM supposedly need to take the car to a doctors appointment and somehow they ended up having to admit him to the hospital. It could've been true. I mean if I owned a car lot and could basically take any car I wanted I'd probably take the X5M too (although there was two others to choose from as well as two Porsche Cayenne GTS Turbo). Either way, they didn't get my 370Z I was trading in nor my money and will not be getting either in the future. I figured I'll just wait until I can find a "un-modified" one with every option I want and also save some more money to put down in the meanwhile.


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