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Old 11-10-2010, 10:14 AM
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...(and apparently more reliable).
I wouldn't count on that. It is still a Jeep afterall. It will just be cheaper to repair.
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Old 11-10-2010, 04:49 PM
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Maybe you haven't seen this thread - http://www.xoutpost.com/bmw-sav-foru...r-warning.html, and this only accounts for those who are actually members, which I'm sure is a very small percentage of actual owners. As long as I'e been a BMW owner, I never heard of this site until months after owning the X...imagine all those BMW owners who aren't members of ANY forums, so they're even more likely to not even know about this site as a place to discuss their experiences.

As for the SRT8, this is the 2nd version of it, so I'm sure there are far more owners with experiences. The X5M being the 1st year out vs the SRT8 just being a larger displacement version means that they've probably worked out all the kinks already.

Naturally I prefer BMW's, but I'm not going to discount and slander other makes and models of vehicles that are just as fast or faster just because they're not a BMW...I appreciate them all as owning each one has it's own trade-offs. I make a decent living off the simple fact that BMW's aren't the most reliable.
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Maybe you haven't seen this thread - http://www.xoutpost.com/bmw-sav-foru...r-warning.html, and this only accounts for those who are actually members, which I'm sure is a very small percentage of actual owners. As long as I'e been a BMW owner, I never heard of this site until months after owning the X...imagine all those BMW owners who aren't members of ANY forums, so they're even more likely to not even know about this site as a place to discuss their experiences.

As for the SRT8, this is the 2nd version of it, so I'm sure there are far more owners with experiences. The X5M being the 1st year out vs the SRT8 just being a larger displacement version means that they've probably worked out all the kinks already.

Naturally I prefer BMW's, but I'm not going to discount and slander other makes and models of vehicles that are just as fast or faster just because they're not a BMW...I appreciate them all as owning each one has it's own trade-offs. I make a decent living off the simple fact that BMW's aren't the most reliable.
What are you talking about?

Yes, I have seen that thread.

I never said X5's were reliable. In fact, I warn many potential buyers about the problems I have experienced.

I was just stating that Jeep Cherokee reliability is garbage as well. I wouldn't buy either of them if reliability was one of my major concerns. Last I checked, indy Jeep mechanics were making money too.
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What are you talking about?

Yes, I have seen that thread.

I never said X5's were reliable. In fact, I warn many potential buyers about the problems I have experienced.

I was just stating that Jeep Cherokee reliability is garbage as well. I wouldn't buy either of them if reliability was one of my major concerns. Last I checked, indy Jeep mechanics were making money too.
I owned a 2006 Jeep SRT8 (first model year), and it was.... about as unreliable as my 2010 X5 M. Maybe a little better. I think my M has been in the shop more often. However, the biggest issue I had with the Jeep was the TCM that had to be replaced twice. Biggest issue with the X5 M has been a vacuum tube that needed replacing. Both issues were equally serious, although the M had to be towed back to the dealership.

Performance-wise, the SRT8 "felt" quicker off the line. I measured 1.15g in the first 0.1 second in launches with the Srt8. That feels like the space shuttle. However, the X5 M is definitely much quicker, based on my speedometer. In one of my benchmarks, the Srt8 would hit 110 mph and the X5 M would already be at 130mph in the same distance. However, the SRT8 "felt" much more brutal in its power delivery. The handling, however, (and the AWD system) was TERRIBLE. Very poor handling and extremely uncomfortable ride. Unacceptable in my opinion... But understandeable when you see the price differential.

I am keen to see the next gen SRT8. I definitely respect the big displacement hemi and the true American muscle aspect. Who knows, I may even pick one up.... not to replace the M, but to sit alongside.
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Looks pretty sharp. I've always liked the Grand Cherokees. I bought a V8 Limited in 2000. Sadly it was the biggest POS I ever owned. Ate up rear bearings every 5k miles.
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I've had a 2006 SRT8 since '06 (first year) and its been trouble free. In fact I've never needed to service it aside from personally doing fluid swaps (oil, trans, front & rear diff and the transfer case fluid) every 5-10k miles (for peace of mind and I do it with all m cars).

I'll say this, people can laugh, hate or slam the Jeep SRT8, but for $39.5k and a $300 ECU flash it will beat just about anything off the line and run a similar quarter mile to my X5M.
Yeah the SRT8 interior has lots of plastic and the handling is a little wild (lots of torque-steer), however, it can also pull 1g on the skid-pad and did very well on the One Lap of America back in '06/'07. Oh and parts, engines, etc... are very cheap when compared to BMW parts.

Oddly though, when comparing the interior of my '10 Range Rover Supercharged to my X5M, the X5M feels almost as cheap as the SRT8 does when comparing it to the X5M. Interestingly the price gap between the my Range Rover Supercharged ($103k) vs. my X5M ($95k) is a lot closer then the SRT8 ($39.5k) to the X5M or Range Rover Supercharged. Its all about framing and personal preference. Personally I love owning all three, and equally loved owning my 4.8is and 4.6is even though they were much slower and less luxurious.
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Where in the heck did you find a Jeep Srt8 for $39.5k brand new ? I paid close to that price for my 2000 Limited Grand Cherokee
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I cant find where I read it but I thought they were in the $55K - $60K range. No?
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That's why I'm asking. I paid $41k for my Grand Cherokee limited.
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Where in the heck did you find a Jeep Srt8 for $39.5k brand new ? I paid close to that price for my 2000 Limited Grand Cherokee
MSRP on a '06 Jeep SRT8 was $39,552 and it only had two options, option group 1 (3k) and rear entertainment (2k). I did a lot of searching and in March '06 I found a dealership in Louisiana (specifically Baton Rouge) that was willing to sell me one for 4k under MSRP plus nav so $39.5k out the door.

Here's a link to a '06 SRT8 review from '05 that mentions the base pricing and initial specs:
Follow-Up Test: 2006 Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT8
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