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fan installed; not completely wired, yet
I'm sure that'd improve efficiency, but it's probably not needed. I bought a fan rated at 3000 cfm (Flex-A-Lite 238, puller) which should be overkill for a 225 hp straight-6. I used only 4000 cfm for my 427's, even on the street, in Texas summertime.
The gap in shroud coverage isn't any worse than some factory fans have, in my experience, and better than using no fan shroud at all.
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01 BMW X5 E53,3.0i-5L40E, 7/13/01 topas-blau,Leder-grau,"resto-project car" Here: 14 Lexus ES350,3.5L-U660E 09 HHR Panel,2.2L-4T45E 04 Chevy 2500HD,6.0L-4L80E 98 GMC Sierra 1500,5.7L-4L60E Gone: 66 Chevelle Malibu 2dr ht.,327>441c.i.-TH350>PGlide/transbrake 08 Cobalt Coupe,2.2L-4T45E 69 & 75 C10s,350c.i.-TH350 86 S10,2.8L-700R4 73 Volvo 142,2.0L-MT4 72 & 73 VW SuperBeetles,1.6l-MT4 64 VW,1.2l-MT4 67 Dodge Monaco 500 2dr ht.,383c.i.-A727 56 Chevy 210 4dr,265c.i.-PGlide |
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Wow, I didn't have to any fabrication. Took less than 3 hours from unpacking to all done. I don't see any need for an on/off/auto switch. If the fan is rated high enough, it just runs two to three shorts bursts in the hottest part of a Texas summer. The fan I have is rated for 600hp. The stock fan on the X5M runs much longer. Battery drain is not a problem on either one.
https://xoutpost.com/bmw-sav-forums/...ctric-fan.html
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not familiar with the X5, so I'm adapting my old methods to it
As I stated, I tried to simplify my install, looking for a switched power source underhood (not finding a good one), and attempting to use the simplest attachment method (couldn't use the push-thru rods for lack of clearance).
When I decided to supply my own power thru the firewall, then I opted to add a manual override switch, as well, taking advantage of the "sleep" mode to power it. I used a cheaper thermostatic switch, but that can be changed later, if insufficient. I'm waiting for the cigarette-lighter-plug power wire to complete the install. The aluminum frame/brace was a trick I've used before with pre-existing shrouds (for quick removal from race cars), so it wasn't a big deal. Actual time spent "fabricating" may be 4-5 hours, mainly from working in the heat, finding the right tools (spread out in about seven project locations), and being 70. I'm in no rush. And, I haven't done a fan install in 10 years. I saw that you chose a Flex-A-Lite 118 (2500 cfm) for your 4.6L engine; I went as large as I thought I should for my 3.0L engine, a Flex-A-Lite 238 (3000 cfm). I couldn't find a fan with greater cfm, without a much higher current draw, so it should do. I usually overdo things, since I was always building up my race cars to a higher hp level...old habits never go away. Here's a chart that's pretty accurate about cfm requirements.
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01 BMW X5 E53,3.0i-5L40E, 7/13/01 topas-blau,Leder-grau,"resto-project car" Here: 14 Lexus ES350,3.5L-U660E 09 HHR Panel,2.2L-4T45E 04 Chevy 2500HD,6.0L-4L80E 98 GMC Sierra 1500,5.7L-4L60E Gone: 66 Chevelle Malibu 2dr ht.,327>441c.i.-TH350>PGlide/transbrake 08 Cobalt Coupe,2.2L-4T45E 69 & 75 C10s,350c.i.-TH350 86 S10,2.8L-700R4 73 Volvo 142,2.0L-MT4 72 & 73 VW SuperBeetles,1.6l-MT4 64 VW,1.2l-MT4 67 Dodge Monaco 500 2dr ht.,383c.i.-A727 56 Chevy 210 4dr,265c.i.-PGlide |
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Even with a tune, meth and nitrous the fan has been more than sufficient. If I recall correctly I choose that particular fan because it was very slim so it left space to work on from of engine. I was concerned it was enough at the time but that has not been a problem.
Sounds like we have some of the same background. I raced Corvettes for a few years, club racing. All were big blocks and one was an L88. Overkill was standard operating procedure so I understand your reasoning.
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still waiting for parts; my view of fans, shrouds, cooling airflow
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Second photo is a BMW aux fan, which uses a shroud with extra flaps that open to allow higher flow past it, at high speed, to cool the radiator/condenser better. With this fan/shroud already allowing some airflow in around the edges into the radiator, the new main fan really doesn't need to fill the radiator-side shroud so tightly, since airflow is coming thru at high speed anyway. I've run many electric fans on many vehicles, and installed them on many more...about 1/4 without any shroud at all (for oil & trans cooler fans, farm tractors, supplementary A/C condenser fans, and some drag race cars); if there was a fan shroud already there, I modified/adapted it to fit the new electric fan, or just mounted the fan alone (usually added a pusher-helper on the other side). I never had one fail, or the vehicle overheat (except when the relay failed...I plan to carry a spare). Nowhere in the fan literature that came with my new fan, did I find any mention of requiring a fan shroud; the fan manufacturers shape these aftermarket fan housings to promote airflow with no other help, but they usually also offer aftermarket shrouds as well. I've seen cars/trucks even recently come from the factory without real fan shrouds, just a framework for fan mounting. So, I think that by using the existing shroud on my X5, it will allow sufficient airflow at all speeds, so that tightening the gap around the slightly-inset 3000 cfm fan won't be necessary.
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01 BMW X5 E53,3.0i-5L40E, 7/13/01 topas-blau,Leder-grau,"resto-project car" Here: 14 Lexus ES350,3.5L-U660E 09 HHR Panel,2.2L-4T45E 04 Chevy 2500HD,6.0L-4L80E 98 GMC Sierra 1500,5.7L-4L60E Gone: 66 Chevelle Malibu 2dr ht.,327>441c.i.-TH350>PGlide/transbrake 08 Cobalt Coupe,2.2L-4T45E 69 & 75 C10s,350c.i.-TH350 86 S10,2.8L-700R4 73 Volvo 142,2.0L-MT4 72 & 73 VW SuperBeetles,1.6l-MT4 64 VW,1.2l-MT4 67 Dodge Monaco 500 2dr ht.,383c.i.-A727 56 Chevy 210 4dr,265c.i.-PGlide |
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Existing shroud works fine. Not an issue.
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finally done; don't rely on Chinesium switches, though
I received the final part yesterday evening, and started to wire it up inside the cabin about 1 pm. Finished at 5 pm (after buttoning up everything about 3, then finding that the hidden manual override switch didn't work. It did before I buttoned-up, but not later.
So, I took it apart, verified that everything except the manual switch still worked, and searched in my leftover electrical parts (from racing), and found a 50A used switch. It worked; but I had to change my hidden location to another, so it took me awhile to put it just above where the clutch pedal would go (the plastic panel there has a reinforced boss, so it holds the switch tight). In the old days, I might've done the install in 3-4 hours, but not having the right supplies (enough wire, connectors, switches) on hand, and in one place, might've helped. I had to splice wires and waterproof the underhood connections, using "stone knives and bearskins" (quote from Star Trek, original series). At least it's done. Another thing that slowed me down was running a cable (+/- 12v) behind the console from passenger side to driver's side. I popped the carpeted side panels off just enough to slide a 1/2" Pex tube thru, then fed the cable thru to the other side. Worked perfectly. Then I removed the Pex, and reinstalled the panels. I still have about 12" of cable showing in the passenger footwell, but that's only until I replace the missing 12v source there. Meanwhile, I'm using the main ashtray power source (via an add-on USB/12v plug device).
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01 BMW X5 E53,3.0i-5L40E, 7/13/01 topas-blau,Leder-grau,"resto-project car" Here: 14 Lexus ES350,3.5L-U660E 09 HHR Panel,2.2L-4T45E 04 Chevy 2500HD,6.0L-4L80E 98 GMC Sierra 1500,5.7L-4L60E Gone: 66 Chevelle Malibu 2dr ht.,327>441c.i.-TH350>PGlide/transbrake 08 Cobalt Coupe,2.2L-4T45E 69 & 75 C10s,350c.i.-TH350 86 S10,2.8L-700R4 73 Volvo 142,2.0L-MT4 72 & 73 VW SuperBeetles,1.6l-MT4 64 VW,1.2l-MT4 67 Dodge Monaco 500 2dr ht.,383c.i.-A727 56 Chevy 210 4dr,265c.i.-PGlide |
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I only thought I was finished
Felt like heck yesterday, so I didn't even make my final tests of the electric fan conversion until today.
Two problems:
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01 BMW X5 E53,3.0i-5L40E, 7/13/01 topas-blau,Leder-grau,"resto-project car" Here: 14 Lexus ES350,3.5L-U660E 09 HHR Panel,2.2L-4T45E 04 Chevy 2500HD,6.0L-4L80E 98 GMC Sierra 1500,5.7L-4L60E Gone: 66 Chevelle Malibu 2dr ht.,327>441c.i.-TH350>PGlide/transbrake 08 Cobalt Coupe,2.2L-4T45E 69 & 75 C10s,350c.i.-TH350 86 S10,2.8L-700R4 73 Volvo 142,2.0L-MT4 72 & 73 VW SuperBeetles,1.6l-MT4 64 VW,1.2l-MT4 67 Dodge Monaco 500 2dr ht.,383c.i.-A727 56 Chevy 210 4dr,265c.i.-PGlide |
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