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Old 01-10-2017, 07:22 PM
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Prop when you get a sec can you get me a pic of the factory rear door midrange speaker that you removed and swapped with the JL tweeter?
Have you ever been so happy to get something off the car that you threw it into the *neighbor's* trash? Yeah? Well... That's what I did with those little bastards. It's like three little plastic tabs that have to be pressed at basically the same time to get the mids out. By the time we'd wrestled them out, I didn't think to take a pic. Sorry, mang.

Oh, and you crack me up. Don't touch your sub! I ordered the speakers I'm going to futzle with. They should be home when I return. If it works/improves, this could be huge for the folks who want a little more oomph for a lot less $$.
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You guys suck - I ordered the Memphis Audio midranges for the dash first as they are easiest to swap out -
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Old 01-11-2017, 12:25 PM
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Have you ever been so happy to get something off the car that you threw it into the *neighbor's* trash? Yeah? Well... That's what I did with those little bastards. It's like three little plastic tabs that have to be pressed at basically the same time to get the mids out. By the time we'd wrestled them out, I didn't think to take a pic. Sorry, mang.

ALL GOOD BROTHER - I won't be tackling those for a while anyway - I'll do the fronts first as I know those are tweeters LOL

Oh, and you crack me up. Don't touch your sub! I ordered the speakers I'm going to futzle with. They should be home when I return. If it works/improves, this could be huge for the folks who want a little more oomph for a lot less $$.
Sounds good I won't touch the sub and I most likely won't be replacing it either LMAO
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ALSO, potentially running the C2-600X speakers in rear doors would give mid sub AND tweeter sounds, along with the factory mid range (or replace that mid range too), if one wanted to go that route to have all sound range covered.
Now see? I didn't think this is how this is supposed to work. I always thought the speaker was simply output. I have thought it would simply produce the signal that is sent to it. How well that happens to the listener is all about the specs we discussed earlier. That's why I did not worry ab the size (or intent) of the tiny tweeters I put in place of the rear mids. I figure they're gonna push out whatever they get sent.

So, if it's true that a coax speaker will produce highs and lows even if it's replacing a simple component mid, that opens up a lot of options for an upgrade. Clock? Are you sure that it would work? If so, at $35 I might still be convinced to replace the tiny rear tweeters I put into the mids with trimmed down Memphis Audio ones. They sound great now. I can even hear the highs from the rear while I am driving. I think the audiophile calls that imaging, but I dunno. But it's inexpensive to test if it would be better with larger speakers.

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OK boys I did some digging - Good news!!!

The mystery rear door midranges are 65mm so just about 2.5" - They are the SAME part number whether you have DSP or regular "Hifi" - and they are the SAME speaker used in the rear panel of the E46 coupe - and guess what, those speaker sets are still available from BSW -

I already have an email out to see if they sell those 65mm midranges separately, if so, even at another $100, might be worth it to have the proper fitting and proper sounding speaker in that rear door panel.

So far my investment is $35 for the Memphis Dash Midranges, and anticipating $140 for the C2-600 component set (2 midbasses and 2 tweeters) and either buy a second set or 2 more midbasses separate.

My goal is to keep it under $300 to upgrade all speakers -
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Now see? I didn't think this is how this is supposed to work. I always thought the speaker was simply output. I have thought it would simply produce the signal that is sent to it.
So, if it's true that a coax speaker will produce highs and lows even if it's replacing a simple component mid, that opens up a lot of options for an upgrade.

Clock? Are you sure that it would work? If so, at $35 I might still be convinced to replace the tiny rear tweeters I put into the mids with trimmed down Memphis Audio ones. They sound great now. I can even hear the highs from the rear while I am driving. I think the audiophile calls that imaging, but I dunno. But it's inexpensive to test if it would be better with larger speakers.

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It depends on how the stereo is set up. Speakers do just play the "data" input. It's how the data gets TO the speaker that matters and makes a difference.
When you removed the factory midbass, was there a frequency cancellation capacitor soldered onto the speaker? It would be soldered between the connection plug and speaker wire leading to the cone. Probably small black piece. If so it's likely the amp is pushing full sound range to speaker but this capacitor is cancelling out frequencies of unwanted range.
I'm also thinking since there are many wires run from amp to speakers, the amp has a dedicated crossover built in to the amp to do this frequency cancellation even before the signal leaves the amp.
I'd have to see the factory speaker honestly.
Doesn't hurt to try adding a coaxial speaker (they usually have no capacitor, or if they do it's to block low frequencies the speaker just can no reproduce cleanly)

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If so, at $35 I might still be convinced to replace the tiny rear tweeters I put into the mids with trimmed down Memphis Audio ones. They sound great now. I can even hear the highs from the rear while I am driving. I think the audiophile calls that imaging, but I dunno. But it's inexpensive to test if it would be better with larger speakers.

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So with your current set up of tweeters in the rear door mid range spot, I really like that idea of hearing more highs, BUT do you notice a lull or missing frequency range of 200-2,000 hz (realoem specs)?

my 850i had a missing frequency range of the 200-2,000hz until I fixed the foam surrounds of the mids (yes completely easy adn possible without buying new speakers) and its wonderful again. I'd hate to have that frequency range missing, BUT I guess since its just back seats anyhow, and you have the full range of music up front, its more just fill (imaging as you said) anyhow...
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OK boys I did some digging - Good news!!!

The mystery rear door midranges are 65mm so just about 2.5" - They are the SAME part number whether you have DSP or regular "Hifi" - and they are the SAME speaker used in the rear panel of the E46 coupe - and guess what, those speaker sets are still available from BSW -
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Well and now to update with bad news - After asking Bavsound, they told me they no longer do speaker pairs and can't ship just those remaining ones, even though they no longer offer E53 packages -

Basically too bad so sad. However, I wonder if the outer metal ring on the Memphis Audio ones can be trimmed down and can be made to work in that location as a midrange speaker as intended.
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FWIW, I used the flat side of an air cutting wheel to grind/trim the Memphis Audio outer edge to allow the factory dash grille tab to clear and seat properly.

This made quick work of what I needed to remove from the outer edges.

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