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Old 01-30-2019, 09:19 PM
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Is the aerokit made out of the same material as the original bumper?


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Is the aerokit made out of the same material as the original bumper?
It's PUR (polyurethane). I don't know which plastic the original 4.8is bumper was as I did not check. I can tell you this one feels more brittle and the body guy did not like it as much as the side skirts which were made out of a different plastic (or same but different color, did not check stamp). Bumpers were a yellow plastic and side skirts/fender flares were a more common, to me, black/grey plastic. I believe all modern bumpers are stamped though with the abbreviation. Here is a complete list of plastics, though they are not all used in auto bumpers.

Plastics Abbreviations

Here is an excerpt from an auto shop:

"Car manufacturers use a variety of plastics to make bumpers. The most common include polycarbonates, polypropylene, polyamides, polyesters, polyurethanes, and thermoplastic olefins or TPOs; many bumpers contain a combination of these different materials. Manufacturers mix these plastics with glass fibers or other materials to strengthen the bumper. This allows them to provide the same impact resistance that metal has, but at a lower cost and with less weight. Many of these plastic materials are also recyclable. A large portion of TPO bumpers, for example, are made from material taken from previous bumpers, increasing the sustainability of automotive production."
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"If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all" is good to keep top of mind in all circumstances.
When did having an opinion or preference different from someone start being negative? It's just a different opinion. I see a lot of this in news reports about social media. People are so sensitive ab who disagrees with them. Why? Why does anyone care what a bunch of people they've never met think about their choice? Especially for a car.

I say let people disagree respectfully. Above all, allow- and *expect* them to have and share their opinions when we post our own. And finally, people need to grow up and understand that contrary and negative are two different things. And neither one- either for or against- is personal.

Just like we're doing here. I disagree with you. I sure hope you don't think that's some sort of personal endorsement. I don't intend it to be. My opinion is different and that's where it ends. Rather than wishing that the community might approach this dynamic differently, a lot of positive progress can be made by the individual reflecting upon the feelings he alone brings into the conversation.

Perhaps we have work to do as a community, but it only begins when the individuals on either side of an opinion make strides to develop within themselves.
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When did having an opinion or preference different from someone start being negative? It's just a different opinion. I see a lot of this in news reports about social media. People are so sensitive ab who disagrees with them. Why? Why does anyone care what a bunch of people they've never met think about their choice? Especially for a car.

I say let people disagree respectfully. Above all, allow- and *expect* them to have and share their opinions when we post our own. And finally, people need to grow up and understand that contrary and negative are two different things. And neither one- either for or against- is personal.

Just like we're doing here. I disagree with you. I sure hope you don't think that's some sort of personal endorsement. I don't intend it to be. My opinion is different and that's where it ends. Rather than wishing that the community might approach this dynamic differently, a lot of positive progress can be made by the individual reflecting upon the feelings he alone brings into the conversation.

Perhaps we have work to do as a community, but it only begins when the individuals on either side of an opinion make strides to develop within themselves.
Not to derail this thread or make it political but I just forwarded this post to the United States Congress. Well said PH.
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Not to derail this thread or make it political but I just forwarded this post to the United States Congress. Well said PH.
I was going to post something along the lines of prop as well... But he said it very well. This is a community where you go to share, others would share their opinions.

This is why I'm an independent and not a Democrat or Republican. I don't NEED everyone to agree with me. I WANT to hear opinions/positions supporting and contrary. No one way of thinking can possibly have the solution to every problem all the time...
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Old 01-31-2019, 03:55 PM
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Negative comments became a much more significant problem when social media became the preferred method of communication. I think the question to ask is-- why does anyone choose to post a negative opinion to someone they don't know? Is it in ones character or are they a follower of the norm in social media?
There are positive and negative opinions. In circumstances such as social media, when someone is proud of something they have done, especially if one has no personal relationship with that person, it is the considerate mature action to keep that negative opinion to oneself unless that person asks for your opinion. If they ask for an opinion that's when respect and consideration for another person should be clear in a response. That has never been an integral part of social media communication.

We also often see posts that say- why can't we all just get along. We never did but social media exasperated that problem. We read more challenges to inconsiderate posts. It is partly because written word is so easily misinterpreted but mostly because the accepted face to face socially accepted behavior did not extend into social media as a standard. And, rather than apologizing for something that offends someone it is considered appropriate to adamantly defend the post with the often used--- you misunderstood my post, how stupid can you be, don't be so sensitive, grow up or implied versions of same.

Constructive differences of opinion are vital to progress but framed in a negative fashion to another opinion are the best way to get nothing done, it just becomes a point and counter point debate. In this thread there was no problem to solve and as a community there is nothing constructive about an inconsiderate negative opinion.

Some things about the good ol' days prior to social media were much better. When the primary method of communication was face to face, with friends, there was something to lose. Expressions and body language were there to consider. Differences were usually resolved with clarification or compromise, apologies or with the help of the rest of the group of friends. The tag line on the home page states-where they come for the information and stay for the friends. Ask yourself-- is this how I should respond to a friend via social media?

This is not suggesting there is only one way or we can't differ or share it is how to constructively do so.
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I was going to post something along the lines of prop as well... But he said it very well. This is a community where you go to share, others would share their opinions.

This is why I'm an independent and not a Democrat or Republican. I don't NEED everyone to agree with me. I WANT to hear opinions/positions supporting and contrary. No one way of thinking can possibly have the solution to every problem all the time...
Like I have said before, as long as you like the mod that is all that counts. You have done so many tasteful executions in the past with your beamers. Looks have always been a subjective thing. The areo kit is just a different cup of tea on the X5 for some folks. By the way I still love the wheels that picked out for your X5 some Christmas's ago. That's the mod on your X5 that gets my attention every time I look at it.
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CW...your X5 is the ugliest thing on the planet. And it is because I alone disagree with it in every way. /thread hijack.
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CW...your X5 is the ugliest thing on the planet. And it is because I alone disagree with it in every way. /thread hijack.
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Negative comments became a much more significant problem when social media became the preferred method of communication. I think the question to ask is-- why does anyone choose to post a negative opinion to someone they don't know? Is it in ones character or are they a follower of the norm in social media?
There are positive and negative opinions. In circumstances such as social media, when someone is proud of something they have done, especially if one has no personal relationship with that person, it is the considerate mature action to keep that negative opinion to oneself unless that person asks for your opinion. If they ask for an opinion that's when respect and consideration for another person should be clear in a response. That has never been an integral part of social media communication.

We also often see posts that say- why can't we all just get along. We never did but social media exasperated that problem. We read more challenges to inconsiderate posts. It is partly because written word is so easily misinterpreted but mostly because the accepted face to face socially accepted behavior did not extend into social media as a standard. And, rather than apologizing for something that offends someone it is considered appropriate to adamantly defend the post with the often used--- you misunderstood my post, how stupid can you be, don't be so sensitive, grow up or implied versions of same.

Constructive differences of opinion are vital to progress but framed in a negative fashion to another opinion are the best way to get nothing done, it just becomes a point and counter point debate. In this thread there was no problem to solve and as a community there is nothing constructive about an inconsiderate negative opinion.

Some things about the good ol' days prior to social media were much better. When the primary method of communication was face to face, with friends, there was something to lose. Expressions and body language were there to consider. Differences were usually resolved with clarification or compromise, apologies or with the help of the rest of the group of friends. The tag line on the home page states-where they come for the information and stay for the friends. Ask yourself-- is this how I should respond to a friend via social media?

This is not suggesting there is only one way or we can't differ or share it is how to constructively do so.
Bcredliner, welcome to the vagaries of the connected world You're going through what every generation does. Even the cave man complained about the pen and written word. Yep, he also said the millennials are the most disrespectful, self serving, indoctrinated generation he has ever seen. Which is said about each and every generation.

"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households."

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