Home Forums Articles How To's FAQ Register
Go Back   Xoutpost.com > BMW SAV Forums > X5 (E53) Forum
Fluid Motor Union
User Name
Password
Member List Premier Membership Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Xoutpost server transfer and maintenance is occurring....
Xoutpost is currently undergoing a planned server migration.... stay tuned for new developments.... sincerely, the management


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 01-19-2020, 02:46 PM
jac jac is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: US
Posts: 221
jac is on a distinguished road
How does one address P0014 (DTC 104) & P0011 (DTC 103) ?

My 3.0i E53 has the "Service Engine Soon" light on. Connecting an OBD2 scanner I see P0011 and P0014, both associated with the VANOS, one for the intake side (P0011) and the other for the exhaust side (P0014).

Running INPA and PASoft (BMW Scanner 1.4), I see DTC 103 and DTC 104.

So, I now have "rebuilt the vanos" by replacing the vanos o-rings (this kit) and cleared the codes, but the codes came back after starting the engine a 2nd time.

Anyone have any ideas of how to fix this? Could it be that both solenoids are stuck?

BTW, the INPA live data for the VANOS show the information in the attached jpg (same values seen on PASoft). None of the values seem to change, not even while driving. Are the position values supposed to change? Does this mean the camshaft position sensors that are near the VANOS (or on the VANOS housing) are bad?


Thanks!
Attached Images
 
__________________
2001 BMW X5 3.0i, Automatic, Gasoline

Last edited by jac; 01-21-2020 at 07:13 PM.
Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links

  #2  
Old 01-19-2020, 06:33 PM
andrewwynn's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Racine, WI
Posts: 6,425
andrewwynn is on a distinguished road
Almost always when you have cam alignment problems itís the cam sensor.

Get OE they are stupid sensitive and the aftermarket brands will give you fits because it almost never happens where a code points to the sensor itself.
__________________
E53 / M54 2001 3.0i gas LHD (pair of them: his & her)
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 01-19-2020, 06:35 PM
andrewwynn's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Racine, WI
Posts: 6,425
andrewwynn is on a distinguished road
The values should change but wonít charge much without load I check vanos operation while driving and best if you can graph the requested vs actual angle.
__________________
E53 / M54 2001 3.0i gas LHD (pair of them: his & her)
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 01-19-2020, 10:23 PM
jac jac is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: US
Posts: 221
jac is on a distinguished road
@andrewwynn: Thanks! I assume you are using some software to create a graph live as you drive. If so, which software is that? I have not seen that capability on INPA nor PASoft.
__________________
2001 BMW X5 3.0i, Automatic, Gasoline
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 01-20-2020, 01:01 AM
andrewwynn's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Racine, WI
Posts: 6,425
andrewwynn is on a distinguished road
I use either my foxwell nt510 scanner or my wifi OBD dongle and software.

Torque I think is the Android version I use iPhone so I use either OBD Fusion or dash command. (oops just realized those phone solutions are level one obd they work great for o2 sensors but won't track BMW level two stuff.

Nt510/520 will graph two things at once so it's great to show the requested v actual camshaft angle etc .

It's exactly how I figure out if the cam sensors are farbled. Almost always when CPS is forked, they soft fail and give you every type of code OTHER than something related to the CPS.

With the V8 you can swap them to see if the problem moves banks but there is no guarantee that will help. They are so sensitive the difference in the reluctor wheels can make the problem stay on the same bank.

When I'm suspecting cps I bring up requested vs actual cam angles and drive. The problem usually presents for me and it's pinned down CPS culprit at least three times.
__________________
E53 / M54 2001 3.0i gas LHD (pair of them: his & her)
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 01-20-2020, 02:17 AM
jac jac is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: US
Posts: 221
jac is on a distinguished road
I bought the intake camshaft position sensor from FCP Euro. They say it is OEM and I hope it is because it is just a bit over half the cost of the BMW branded sensor. I'll replace it and see if that makes P0011 (DTC 103) go away.

While I wait for it to arrive, I am gonna clean the intake solenoid and see if that does anything. I should have done that when I had the VANOS housing off the engine. argghh...
__________________
2001 BMW X5 3.0i, Automatic, Gasoline
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 01-20-2020, 10:46 AM
upallnight's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Cook County
Posts: 6,923
upallnight is on a distinguished road
Are you sure you got the vanos timing correct? Did you buy the timing tool for the M54 engine?

Here's the correct to set the vanos timing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDpMHIaxuJU
__________________
2006 Infiniti G35
2001 BMW 3.0I E53 X5 Build date 08/2000 SOLD
Lotus Europa 1970 Destroyed by fire
Lotus Europa 1970 S2 Renault Powered
Lotus Type 52 1970 Twincam Webers Powered
PORSCHE 911 Targa 1982 The Garage Queen
Audi Avant donated to Kars for Kids
BMW 525IT Sold
Audi 4000CS Quattro Sold
Jensen Healey Lotus Powered Sold
Opel 1900 Sold
Triumph Spitfire 1971 Sold
Triumph Spitfire 1968 Sold
Plymouth "Cuda" 340 Six pack SOLD
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 01-20-2020, 04:13 PM
jac jac is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: US
Posts: 221
jac is on a distinguished road
I did not touch the camshaft nor timing chain, only removed the vanos housing, so I did not think I needed to do a timing adjustment. Is it needed anytime the vanos housing is removed?!
__________________
2001 BMW X5 3.0i, Automatic, Gasoline
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 01-20-2020, 05:11 PM
upallnight's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Cook County
Posts: 6,923
upallnight is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by jac View Post
I did not touch the camshaft nor timing chain, only removed the vanos housing, so I did not think I needed to do a timing adjustment. Is it needed anytime the vanos housing is removed?!
Yep
__________________
2006 Infiniti G35
2001 BMW 3.0I E53 X5 Build date 08/2000 SOLD
Lotus Europa 1970 Destroyed by fire
Lotus Europa 1970 S2 Renault Powered
Lotus Type 52 1970 Twincam Webers Powered
PORSCHE 911 Targa 1982 The Garage Queen
Audi Avant donated to Kars for Kids
BMW 525IT Sold
Audi 4000CS Quattro Sold
Jensen Healey Lotus Powered Sold
Opel 1900 Sold
Triumph Spitfire 1971 Sold
Triumph Spitfire 1968 Sold
Plymouth "Cuda" 340 Six pack SOLD
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 01-21-2020, 12:34 AM
jac jac is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: US
Posts: 221
jac is on a distinguished road
__________________
2001 BMW X5 3.0i, Automatic, Gasoline
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On





All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:55 PM.
vBulletin, Copyright 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. SEO by vBSEO 3.6.0
© 2017 Xoutpost.com. All rights reserved. Xoutpost.com is a private enthusiast site not associated with BMW AG.
The BMW name, marks, M stripe logo, and Roundel logo as well as X3, X5 and X6 designations used in the pages of this Web Site are the property of BMW AG.
This web site is not sponsored or affiliated in any way with BMW AG or any of its subsidiaries.