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Old 11-03-2022, 04:53 PM
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I did read up on changing the starter and it sounds like a pain, especially since I do not have a lift and would be lying under the car to do it which would make it difficult.


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if you have a modicum of mechanical apptitude, this is an easy job. You tube the procedure for tips and just do it yourself. I havn't priced starters lately but I bet you can get one for $200/ish.
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Old 11-03-2022, 05:12 PM
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The solenoid pushes the starter gear into the flexdisc/flywheel.

The whirring sound would generally be the starter motor spinning freely, but not engaging.

I think we agree on the noise source - it's a terminology issue.

I only speak from experience with other cars, because I've never had this problem with my X. But typically if the solenoid has successfully closed the circuit, it will pull the starter gear out towards the flywheel, and if the gear turns but doesn't engage the flywheel gears, it will make a terrible grinding noise as the starter gear scrapes against the flywheel but doesn't turn it. However, it's also possible that the linkage that pushes the starter gear towards the flywheel has broken or is otherwise not getting the gear to the flywheel at all, and if that's the case I could see it making a loud whirring noise instead of a grind. I have just never seen a starter fail that way before is all.
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The starter drive has a one way clutch so when that fails you get the drive gear engaging and full power to the starter but the starter just spins the clutch and doesn't turn the flywheel. That was fairly common years ago but not so much any more so maybe why people don't understand.
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I only speak from experience with other cars, because I've never had this problem with my X. But typically if the solenoid has successfully closed the circuit, it will pull the starter gear out towards the flywheel, and if the gear turns but doesn't engage the flywheel gears, it will make a terrible grinding noise as the starter gear scrapes against the flywheel but doesn't turn it. However, it's also possible that the linkage that pushes the starter gear towards the flywheel has broken or is otherwise not getting the gear to the flywheel at all, and if that's the case I could see it making a loud whirring noise instead of a grind. I have just never seen a starter fail that way before is all.
The solenoid IS the linkage. The solenoid is not that starter relay.
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The solenoid IS the linkage. The solenoid is not that starter relay.

The solenoid definitely is the starter relay as well. It closes the electrical circuit between the battery and the starter. That is why the big-gauge wire usually goes straight from the battery to the solenoid.
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Well I took it to an independent shop and paid $750 for a new starter and installation. so it is all fixed at least!
Thank you all for your comments.
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