Stalling, MAFS, Cam Shaft

[michaelf]

Hi,

Always something to work on with these E53's.....my 2004 4.4 has decided to throw some more gremlins my way.

Recently struggles to start on a warm start (it tries and tries), rough on cold start, stalls at lights etc etc. I was get a long list of errors as the engine didn't like something. I recently cleaned the MAF Sensor as it was reading 27.60 (!) on idle and is now down in the green range on INPA at 20.00.

I am still not driving it around too much as am over being stuck in the middle of the road, but it did stall on me earlier today and have me Camshaft Control Outlet VANOS error - 27 BC 42 and 27 BB 42. I cleared errors and it started working again.....but had issues on a warm start 10min later.

Any help would be appreciated as was thinking of replacing the MAFS and potential CAMShaft Sensors.

[guntherrex]

no start when warm sounds like air leaks, but I'm suspecting more is at fault here. Not sure if you can check the funcion of the MAF real time?

[EODguy]

Originally Posted by guntherrex

no start when warm sounds like air leaks, but I'm suspecting more is at fault here. Not sure if you can check the funcion of the MAF real time?

You can see the airflow live with Torque Pro andbon the Foxwell, plus with the engine running tap on the MAF wit the handle of a big screwdriver where the hot film is and it will usually make the engine stumble if it bad.

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[nick325xit 5spd]

I would run a VANOS test before replacing anything.

[michaelf]

Thanks. Will take the engine cover off and drive around for a while to see if I can see any potential leaks too. Mechanic suggested I block the emissions being recirculated as that would be potentially causing an issue when warm start - will look this up to.

The MAF is giving readings in the green range in INPA after running it for a bit post clean.

I have been driving around with both feet to keep the revs up, but did go into fail safe mode on me before. Got the following errors:

E R R O R M E M O R Y ---------------------------------------

Date: 18.11.2022 14:44:48 ECU: ME9N62 JobStatus: OKAY Variant: ME9N62-------------------------------------------------------------

RESULT: 3 error in error memory !-------------------------------------------------------------

27BB CDKANWS - camshaft control outlet-VANOS0

Error counter: 1 Logistic counter: 34

Mileage 190568 km Engine speed (nmot) 0.00 /min Relative air filling (rl) 30.75 % Engine temperature (tmot) 105.75 degrees C operating mode byte VVT(B_fe) 1.00 bin

Signal or value below threshold Test conditions fulfilled Error not occurred yet Error would not cause a warning lamp to light up Diagnostic active Cycle flag set

Error code: 27 BB 02 05 00 00 01 22 5D 0D 00 29 CD 01 FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF-------------------------------------------------------------

27BC CDKANWS2 - camshaft control outlet-VANOS bank2

Error counter: 1 Logistic counter: 34

Mileage 190568 km Engine speed (nmot) 0.00 /min Relative air filling (rl) 30.75 % Engine temperature (tmot) 105.75 degrees C operating mode byte VVT(B_fe) 1.00 bin

Signal or value below threshold Test conditions fulfilled Error not occurred yet Error would not cause a warning lamp to light up Diagnostic active Cycle flag set

Error code: 27 BC 02 05 00 00 01 22 5D 0D 00 29 CD 01 FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF-------------------------------------------------------------

277F CDKN - Crankshaft sensor

P0335 Crankshaft Position Sensor 'A' Circuit

Error counter: 2 Logistic counter: 40

1. Umweltsatz


Mileage 190576 km Engine speed (nmot) 0.00 /min Engine temperature (tmot) 105.75 degrees C Ambient temperature (tumg) 19.50 Degrees C Supply voltage (ub) 11.78 V

2. Umweltsatz Mileage 190616 km Engine speed (nmot) 0.00 /min Engine temperature (tmot) 105.00 degrees C Ambient temperature (tumg) 21.00 Degrees C Supply voltage (ub) 13.94 V

No signal or value Test conditions fulfilled Error present now and already stored Error would not cause a warning lamp to light up Diagnostic active Cycle flag set

Error code: 27 7F 64 05 03 35 02 28 5D 0E 00 CD 5A 7D 5D 13 00 CC 5C 94 FF FF FF FF FF FF =======================

[michaelf]

I think I’m set to remove, clean and test the VANOS tomorrow morning.

[michaelf]

Removed and cleaned. Will give it a run this week and see what issues come up. I put the solenoids in on other sides, so if faulty the error should swap sides.

There was a little bit of plastic in/on one and seemed like something similar on the inside of the large o rings. Used a 9V battery to open and close to clean and all seemed to respond

[michaelf]

Ok, so the issue is still there. Not sure if I should start replacing things yet. I swapped the vanos solenoids from left to right and the error is still the same bank (bank 2).

Thoughts? It just stopped when driving earlier and went into limp mode.

E R R O R M E M O R Y R E P O R T -------------------------------------

Date: 11/24/22 10:31:11 ECU: D_EGS JobStatus: OKAY Variant: GS19A-------------------------------------------------------------

RESULT: 1 errors in error memory !-------------------------------------------------------------

20903 Signal (Enginespeed) from the DME/DDE is missing

Warning: F_HFK doesn´t exist in result record 1 ! Warning: F_UW_ANZ doesn´t exist in result record 1 ! Warning: F_ART_ANZ doesn´t exist in result record 1 !

Errorcode: 51 A7 28 ================================================== =========== Ecu : D_0056 IFH-0009: NO RESPONSE FROM CONTROLUNIT ================================================== ================================== Variant: ME9N62 3 Error in error memory Error registration 1 : 0x27BB: CDKANWS - camshaft control outlet-VANOS0 <<<<!!! Error accurances: CDKANWS - camshaft control outlet-VANOS0 Error code: 27 BB 62

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Error registration 2 : 0x27BC: CDKANWS2 - camshaft control outlet-VANOS bank2 <<<<!!! Error accurances: CDKANWS2 - camshaft control outlet-VANOS bank2 Error code: 27 BC 62

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Error registration 3 : 0x277F: CDKN - Crankshaft sensor <<<<!!! Error accurances: CDKN - Crankshaft sensor Error code: 27 7F 04

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------================================================== ================================== Variant: LWS5_1B 1 Error in error memory Error registration 1 : 0x0009: not an ASC2-message <<<<!!! Error accurances: 2

Sporadic error Error code: 09 02 AF

================================================== ================================== Variant: EHC >>>>>>>>>> No error found <<<<<<<<<<< ================================================== ================================== Variant: D_0070 -1 Error in error memory ================================================== ================================== Variant: LCM_IV >>>>>>>>>> No error found <<<<<<<<<<< ================================================== ================================== Variant: D_0066 -1 Error in error memory ================================================== ================================== Variant: D_009A -1 Error in error memory ================================================== ================================== Variant: RLS_DS2 >>>>>>>>>> No error found <<<<<<<<<<< ================================================== ================================== Variant: SD_DS2 2 Error in error memory Error registration 1 : 0x00A1: Error Antrieb SoS <<<<!!!


Error accurances: 1

Static error Error code: A1 21

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Error registration 2 : 0x0088: Error Bedienschalter <<<<!!! Error accurances: 2

Sporadic error Error code: 88 02

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------================================================== ================================== Variant: EWS3 1 Error in error memory Error registration 1 : 0x0063: toleration of changing code increased with key # 6 <<<<!!! Error accurances: 8

Sporadic error Error code: 63 08

================================================== ================================== Variant: D_00C0 -1 Error in error memory ================================================== ================================== Variant: ZKE3_GM6 >>>>>>>>>> No error found <<<<<<<<<<< ================================================== ================================== Variant: D_SZM -1 Error in error memory ================================================== ================================== Variant: MRS4 >>>>>>>>>> No error found <<<<<<<<<<< ================================================== ================================== Variant: IKI 3 Error in error memory Error registration 1 : 0x00BD: EBV <<<<!!! Error accurances: 38

-- -- -- -- -- Sporadic error error external ECU Error code: BD 90 26

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Error registration 2 : 0x00BF: IKE-EEPROM error, coding incorrect/incomplete <<<<!!! Error accurances: 40

-- -- -- Invalid working area Error present -- --Error code: BF 48 28

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Error registration 3 : 0x008D: ATS signal: telegram error or no telegram <<<<!!! Error accurances: 50

-- -- -- --


-- Sporadic error error external ECU Error code: 8D 90 32

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------================================================== ================================== Variant: D_00B0 -1 Error in error memory ================================================== ================================== Variant: IHKA39_5 >>>>>>>>>> No error found <<<<<<<<<<< ================================================== ================================== Variant: D_ZUHEIZ -1 Error in error memory ================================================== ================================== Variant: RADIO >>>>>>>>>> No error found <<<<<<<<<<< ================================================== ================================== Variant: D_006A -1 Error in error memory ================================================== ================================== Variant: D_0048 -1 Error in error memory ================================================== ================================== Variant: ULF >>>>>>>>>> No error found <<<<<<<<<<< ================================================== ================================== Variant: BM_WIDE >>>>>>>>>> No error found <<<<<<<<<<< ================================================== ================================== Variant: VM5IBUS >>>>>>>>>> No error found <<<<<<<<<<< ================================================== ================================== Variant: NAVMK4_2 >>>>>>>>>> No error found <<<<<<<<<<< ================================================== ================================== Variant: D_0048 -1 Error in error memory ================================================== ================================== Variant: NAVMK4_2 >>>>>>>>>> No error found <<<<<<<<<<< ================================================== ================================== Variant: D_00BB -1 Error in error memory ================================================== ================================== Variant: D_SITZ_B -1 Error in error memory ================================================== ================================== Variant: D_SITZ_F -1 Error in error memory ================================================== ================================== Variant: SM53_4 >>>>>>>>>> No error found <<<<<<<<<<< ================================================== ==================================