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Old 04-10-2018, 12:18 AM
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Sadly, the storied history of the M diviion has been watered down- BMW has turned the M badge into a well calibrated profit center.... they used to turn the division loose on the production car. Now the M models are carefiully designed in, from the get go.

Not to say there isnt a real performance advantage there... that is undeniable.

(BMW pried some $$$ out of the market by making an "M Sport" version- virtually no performance, hang some glossy bits, badges and bulges, and people think they are buying something "M". )

But this guy is a joke. I was reading another of his posts about removing the dash, wherein he claimed "I have the M version, so the parts in there are different"... I mean this guy has actually fallen for the hype in a really big way. ("even the M floor mats are faster"). It is pretty easy to know precisely what parts are different in the X5M, and it is far less than boosty feels the need to declare.

And still waiting for him to tell us what the BMW preferred package actually is....
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Old 04-10-2018, 11:58 AM
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ard,
I think he means the ccp. Also, if he has another car to drive around, Why not get a n63?

The n63 has more working parts and is more reliable than the less working parts n62.

I think that makes perfect sense.

Plus, Is there a n63tu? Can someone tell me why they modified the n63? It was just for more HP right?

Thanks

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Old 04-10-2018, 04:03 PM
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ard,
I think he means the ccp.
1. I wouldnt doubt it, just too much of a pussy to man up

2. CCP doesnt do half the stuff he claims. He is bloviating about stuff he doesnt comprehend.

The core flaw the CCP corrected was a very significant mismatch in the flow rates of individual injectors. As a result, you could have one injector in a bank pouring gas into the engine, yet the banks' Air-fuel ratio looked OK. This cause cylinder wear AND fuel shear (the oil got thinner due to the fuel in the oil). This in turn lead to ENGINE WEAR. (oil shear, combined with stupid BMW oil change intervals) One early marker of engine wear is the timing chain, however EVERY other 'oil lubricated part' in that motor would wear. BMW figured out a way to estimate chain wear (aka 'stretch) and only replace the chains for the very worst. However all engines were likely damaged to some extent. By doing the CCP, BMW simply caught the issue prior to failure, but they absolutely did not fully repair all engines.

The CCP did nothing for any other aspect of the failures you see in BMW V8S: oil leaks, coolant leaks, valve guide seals.


Finally, of note- and on this I may be wrong...the N63 in the X6M was NOT afforded the CCP. There WERE engine failures in those cars, purportedly due to injector issues- but just too few of that model for BMW to be concerned with legal risk. How'd ya like to be one of those owners?
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Old 05-05-2018, 02:32 PM
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Buy One

Definitely get one. But get a warranty. My Continental warranty has paid out $9,700 this year. Absolutely LOVE the car, just not all that reliable. At 50k, I've done front upper and lower control arms, two oil leaks, and had 4 injectors and coils replaced. The N63 is an engine I wouldn't want to own without a warranty, but I made the jump from an '07 to the same fully loaded '13 that you're looking at, and haven't looked back. The ride on the M-Sport wheels is pretty harsh, especially with RFTs, but other than that, it's everything I wanted my 48i to be.
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You referred to a BMW Preferred package, in which you claim they 'did things, like chains and valve seals'


Point me to this 'preferred package' you are suggesting the person make sure was done to any used car he considers.


I wont get into an argument over 'are these time bombs', because it is a retarded waste of time.

But YOU need to put up or shut up on this "preferred package"
I was referring to the Customer Care Package.

The fact your undies are all in a bunch and your outdated statements you are making, tells me your level of intelligence on the subject...
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On. And this....

LOL dude

"Pretty much everything is completely different"

Look, I have an M car. I know it can be important to many to feel you are a special snowflake...but your precious M isn't nearly as special as you think it is.

Go look up 'the drive train' on realoem. Like the transmission, the transfer case, the axles, the driveshaft....stuff that makes up 'the drive train'...I won't waste my time, but you are quite mistaken.

BMW M cars are NOT the M cars of yesterday- they are a corporate variant designed from the beginning. But sold and marketed as 'completely different'.
I have done this already actually... I've broken an axel, I've researched the diff, the ZF transmission(even contacted them in Austrailia)... They are NOT all the same. Nice try though...
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Sadly, the storied history of the M diviion has been watered down- BMW has turned the M badge into a well calibrated profit center.... they used to turn the division loose on the production car. Now the M models are carefiully designed in, from the get go.

Not to say there isnt a real performance advantage there... that is undeniable.

(BMW pried some $$$ out of the market by making an "M Sport" version- virtually no performance, hang some glossy bits, badges and bulges, and people think they are buying something "M". )

But this guy is a joke. I was reading another of his posts about removing the dash, wherein he claimed "I have the M version, so the parts in there are different"... I mean this guy has actually fallen for the hype in a really big way. ("even the M floor mats are faster"). It is pretty easy to know precisely what parts are different in the X5M, and it is far less than boosty feels the need to declare.

And still waiting for him to tell us what the BMW preferred package actually is....
Please, enlighten me on a post where I claim "removing the dash, wherein I claimed, I have the M version, so the parts in there are different".

At what point in life were you dropped on your head? I was actually agreeing with you till you start making false statements... Attack me all you want "ARD"(is that short for "Tard"?), but facts are facts. Try not to take it so hard. Need a hug?
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Old 05-05-2018, 03:15 PM
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ard,
I think he means the ccp. Also, if he has another car to drive around, Why not get a n63?

The n63 has more working parts and is more reliable than the less working parts n62.

I think that makes perfect sense.

Plus, Is there a n63tu? Can someone tell me why they modified the n63? It was just for more HP right?

Thanks
Yes, there is an N63tu. "tu" stands for technical update. It does have more HP. The main upgrade was the addition of Valvetronic. Other changes include revised turbochargers, removal of the blowoof valve, lighter pistons, forged conrods and crankshaft, addition of an oil catch can system, revised fuel system and addition of a second coolant pump.
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Old 05-05-2018, 03:17 PM
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1. I wouldnt doubt it, just too much of a pussy to man up

2. CCP doesnt do half the stuff he claims. He is bloviating about stuff he doesnt comprehend.

The core flaw the CCP corrected was a very significant mismatch in the flow rates of individual injectors. As a result, you could have one injector in a bank pouring gas into the engine, yet the banks' Air-fuel ratio looked OK. This cause cylinder wear AND fuel shear (the oil got thinner due to the fuel in the oil). This in turn lead to ENGINE WEAR. (oil shear, combined with stupid BMW oil change intervals) One early marker of engine wear is the timing chain, however EVERY other 'oil lubricated part' in that motor would wear. BMW figured out a way to estimate chain wear (aka 'stretch) and only replace the chains for the very worst. However all engines were likely damaged to some extent. By doing the CCP, BMW simply caught the issue prior to failure, but they absolutely did not fully repair all engines.

The CCP did nothing for any other aspect of the failures you see in BMW V8S: oil leaks, coolant leaks, valve guide seals.


Finally, of note- and on this I may be wrong...the N63 in the X6M was NOT afforded the CCP. There WERE engine failures in those cars, purportedly due to injector issues- but just too few of that model for BMW to be concerned with legal risk. How'd ya like to be one of those owners?
You are right about that.. You are wrong again.. X6Ms have the S63 motor.
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