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Originally Posted by Penguin
Hey, doing the best deal you can get when you buy a vehicle is an American tradition, but some of those fees are actual costs to the dealer. The $300 MACO and the $180 training fees are actual charges from BMW NA to the dealer and is charged on a per vehicle basis, i.e., if the dealers sells one more vehicle, he pays BMW NA $480 more, if the dealer sells one less vehicle, he pays BMW NA $480 less each year.
Now, the Documentation fees are mostly junk and pure dealer profit. It varies by state, but I suspect the typical incremental out-of-pocket cost to the dealer for documentation is less than $50.
So again, get the best deal you can get, but realize the MACO and Training Fees are incremental out-of-pocket costs to the dealer, while the DOC fees are mostly just a junk fee to squeeze more profit out of the customer.
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I'd just as soon the dealer figure his cost, including any "fees" the manufacturer charges him and sell me the car at "x" above that cost. I don't really want to hear about all of the fees he has to pay. It is starting to remind me of the fees associated with renting a car theses days. There is the reservation fee, the facility fee, the tire fee, the maintenance fee, the fee on the fee ... I'd prefer if they just charged $49.95 a day without the fee talk instead of $42.95 + fees. It's the same when I buy a car.
The problem is that the general public has access to invoice pricing these days so the dealer needs to improve the face value profit and the manufacturers are helping. Unless you are a dealer, or have insider information, who really knows what the car actually costs teh dealer.
04-21-2009, 08:05 PM
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