X5 35 Diesel deal

[daus318]

Just signed that papers last night to start production on my new X5 with PCD at the end of May! I think I got a good deal but I wanted to check on here to see what you guys think...

35d
Space Gray
Sport Package
Blk Nevada Leather
Heated Seats
Tow Hitch

All in price with $825 destination, $300 MACO, $180 training, & $400 doc fee = $55,715

[hhhm3]

What was your discount compared to the MSRP and the options.

Did you negotiated a set amount?

What's training and MACO.
I think doc fee was 200 for me but had admin fee of 250.

[daus318]

Discount from MSRP was $4,070.

I'm not really sure what training and MACO are but they seem to be standard fees totaling $480.

[hhhm3]

Originally Posted by daus318

Discount from MSRP was $4,070.

I'm not really sure what training and MACO are but they seem to be standard fees totaling $480.

That's a very good discount for the diesel.

I negotiated $2K off MSRP but I don't remember paying MACO or training fees and doc fee was 200 or less.

Although, this was back in December when the 35d just release for production and the 35d was hot item, discount was unheard of...
I remember most people reported paying $1-2K over invoice/msrp.

[grover432]

I don't get all of these "fees". When I buy a car I tell the dealer I won't pay them. If they don't want the deal they are free to says o. I've had a few dealers balk, but I've never had one walk away from a deal over the issue.

[Penguin]

Hey, doing the best deal you can get when you buy a vehicle is an American tradition, but some of those fees are actual costs to the dealer. The $300 MACO and the $180 training fees are actual charges from BMW NA to the dealer and is charged on a per vehicle basis, i.e., if the dealers sells one more vehicle, he pays BMW NA $480 more, if the dealer sells one less vehicle, he pays BMW NA $480 less each year.

Now, the Documentation fees are mostly junk and pure dealer profit. It varies by state, but I suspect the typical incremental out-of-pocket cost to the dealer for documentation is less than $50.

So again, get the best deal you can get, but realize the MACO and Training Fees are incremental out-of-pocket costs to the dealer, while the DOC fees are mostly just a junk fee to squeeze more profit out of the customer.

[grover432]

Originally Posted by Penguin

Hey, doing the best deal you can get when you buy a vehicle is an American tradition, but some of those fees are actual costs to the dealer. The $300 MACO and the $180 training fees are actual charges from BMW NA to the dealer and is charged on a per vehicle basis, i.e., if the dealers sells one more vehicle, he pays BMW NA $480 more, if the dealer sells one less vehicle, he pays BMW NA $480 less each year.

Now, the Documentation fees are mostly junk and pure dealer profit. It varies by state, but I suspect the typical incremental out-of-pocket cost to the dealer for documentation is less than $50.

So again, get the best deal you can get, but realize the MACO and Training Fees are incremental out-of-pocket costs to the dealer, while the DOC fees are mostly just a junk fee to squeeze more profit out of the customer.

I'd just as soon the dealer figure his cost, including any "fees" the manufacturer charges him and sell me the car at "x" above that cost. I don't really want to hear about all of the fees he has to pay. It is starting to remind me of the fees associated with renting a car theses days. There is the reservation fee, the facility fee, the tire fee, the maintenance fee, the fee on the fee ... I'd prefer if they just charged $49.95 a day without the fee talk instead of $42.95 + fees. It's the same when I buy a car.

The problem is that the general public has access to invoice pricing these days so the dealer needs to improve the face value profit and the manufacturers are helping. Unless you are a dealer, or have insider information, who really knows what the car actually costs teh dealer.

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by grover432

I'd just as soon the dealer figure his cost, including any "fees" the manufacturer charges him and sell me the car at "x" above that cost.

Quite reasonable. And a reasonable dealer will give you a price that way if you request it. Any dealer should be willing and able to give you an "out the door" price, inclusive of all charges and fees.

[jeep]

I would think MACO and training fees would be out of the dealer profit and should not be passed on to the buyer. I have never paid them on any cars I have bought, but then because you are getting a pretty good discount, that's why the dealer may be charging you for the same.

[E61Silver]

Originally Posted by jeep

I would think MACO and training fees would be out of the dealer profit and should not be passed on to the buyer. I have never paid them on any cars I have bought, but then because you are getting a pretty good discount, that's why the dealer may be charging you for the same.

I had to pay them when I purchase (10/2008) my 535 at $1,000 over cost.