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Old 09-28-2009, 03:27 PM
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Sport Package/Adaptive Suspension Split?

Anyone else think this change in packaging (price increase!) was meant to further distinguish/justify the extra $30K for the X5/M?
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Old 09-28-2009, 03:51 PM
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No because the cars aren't even in the same segment. BMW did it most likely for cost savings--probably to offset the cost of the new iDrive and Nav.
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Old 09-28-2009, 04:40 PM
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It's probably nice to note that most other countries have had Dynamic Drive as an additional cost on top of sport suspension for years now.
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Old 09-28-2009, 05:01 PM
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Sorry if I was unclear with the wrong descriptive words but I meant the automatically adjusting sport suspension being deleted from the sport package and costing an extra couple of grand.

Misery does not love company in this case with other country package inclusive experiences but perhaps some forien perspective my have insite here.

I continue to suspect BMW deleted the adaptive suspension from the sport package (a costly addition now but previously a no-brainer) because of the new M.
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Old 09-28-2009, 05:23 PM
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I'm not sure how you are justifying that you think BMW is hoping consumers won't spend $3,500 on Adaptive but will in-turn spend another $30K to get a 555 HP M .

If that was their main logic they would do that for all 3, 5 and 6 series which have a M version.
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Regarding the Adaptive Drive (AD), I wonder if it has much impact on the handling in terms of actual cornering speed, etc? "Handling" consists of two factors, IMHO, (1) How it feels to drive, and (2) how it actually performs in terms of cornering speed, grip, etc.

Now, the AD reducing Roll significantly certainly has a major impact on 1, but I wonder how much, in real life, it has on 2? Granted, the change in the CG can unload a tire due to roll, but how significant of a change is this? To what extent can the AD actually improve the cornering dynamics by limiting roll?

I would love to see a comparative test of two X5's on a road course, one with AD and one without, to see the difference in lap times.

Absent that, I would be interested in the opinions of any who have raced cars competitively and played with suspension adjustments in a controlled environment.
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I'm not sure how you are justifying that you think BMW is hoping consumers won't spend $3,500 on Adaptive but will in-turn spend another $30K to get a 555 HP M .

If that was their main logic they would do that for all 3, 5 and 6 series which have a M version.
You are putting words in my email that I did not write and mixing apples (suspension) and oranges (engine).

The price of a more sporty non-M X5 just got significantly higher and in-part because of the new M. BMW wanted a greater distinction to justify/segregate the M premium. (Perhaps they wanted the pre 2010 X5 to be closer to the Porsche Pepper more easily but now have the M for that.)

The main "logic" or strategy of every car company is $. How they achieve that or their tactics is what distinguishes them.

I don't fault BMW or blame them but don't see many people (like me and others here) putting up another $3500 for the Adaptive suspension in 2010. I don't like the 19" wheels on the sport package so I skipped both packages as a result.

If the 09 sport package combination was still available then they would have gotten an extra $3000 from me and others. They must have forseen this and made the changes they did with other tactics in mind.

I'd be curious to see the comparison of how many X5's in 09 came with adaptive suspension compared to 2010. I'd bet just a fraction as many! Perhaps that would be the subject of a good poll here early next year...

I do agree with Penguin 100% here though.
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You are putting words in my email that I did not write and mixing apples (suspension) and oranges (engine).

The price of a more sporty non-M X5 just got significantly higher and in-part because of the new M. BMW wanted a greater distinction to justify/segregate the M premium. (Perhaps they wanted the pre 2010 X5 to be closer to the Porsche Pepper more easily but now have the M for that.)

The main "logic" or strategy of every car company is $. How they achieve that or their tactics is what distinguishes them.

I don't fault BMW or blame them but don't see many people (like me and others here) putting up another $3500 for the Adaptive suspension in 2010. I don't like the 19" wheels on the sport package so I skipped both packages as a result.

If the 09 sport package combination was still available then they would have gotten an extra $3000 from me and others. They must have forseen this and made the changes they did with other tactics in mind.

I'd be curious to see the comparison of how many X5's in 09 came with adaptive suspension compared to 2010. I'd bet just a fraction as many! Perhaps that would be the subject of a good poll here early next year...

I do agree with Penguin 100% here though.
No I'm not saying comparing engine and suspension I'm saying a 555HP X5M is not the next "go to" car in the line up from the X5 just for the reason of not getting Adaptive standard any more in the sports package. I'm curious too if it really makes that big of difference. My contention is BMW is looking at ways to cut costs and with the introduction of the new iDrive basically at no increase in price from previous years. Capacity utilization allows them to increase output if demand increases on Adaptive.
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I think it is completely unrelated. They are simply bringing the spec into line with every other country, and saving money at the same time.

I think the real reason is they gave it away cheap with the early E70s in the US so they could get lots of mileage on a new technology (the optical communication protocol - can't remember what it is called now). Now that it is proven and the bugs ironed out they need to make money from it.
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^ the flux capacitor... or flexray... one of the two.

Anyway, it's strange nobody has ever test driven a sport & non-sport back to back to say enough about it. I've done it but it was weeks apart so I can't say for sure.
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