2008 4.8 or 2010 35d

[Hammer]

Ditto for the 35d.

[ZheHbKa]

in the long run diesel would be a win.

u want exhaust sound, drop a custom exhaust, replica wheels and flares would all run under 2k

u would get that back in gas mileage in short time

[JCL]

Originally Posted by ZheHbKa

In the long run diesel would be a win.

You want exhaust sound, drop a custom exhaust, replica wheels and flares would all run under 2k

You would get that back in gas mileage in short time

I tend to agree, if one is keeping it for a long time.

I spec'd out a 35i and a 35d E70 on BMW.ca, admittedly different pricing than bmwusa. I used BMW published fuel consumption numbers. I assumed the same maintenance cost. I didn't worry about resale, since it is an unknown today.

At Jan 31 2012 local fuel prices (which are equal, premium vs diesel, in my town; YMMV) the payback period on the purchase price of the diesel was 110,600 km. To breakeven. In other words, I would have to run it for 6 years at typical 18,000 km/12,000 mile annual mileages, just to break even. Given the OP's 9,300 miles per year over the past 10 years, he would have to wait 8 years. That doesn't sound like a very attractive investment.

We will all have different fuel prices, tax breaks (or not), driving habits, vehicle option preferences, and so on. But it isn't in any way a sure thing that people will come out ahead with the diesel. And if local diesel prices are above gasoline prices, as they are in many locations, then the payback period is even longer. Just sayin'.

[seattle]

Originally Posted by JCL

I tend to agree, if one is keeping it for a long time.

I spec'd out a 35i and a 35d E70 on BMW.ca, admittedly different pricing than bmwusa.

Did you account for the diesel credit?

If it wasn't for the $3500 diesel credit, not sure if I would have gone for the diesel. After the credit, my 35d came out cheaper than comparably equipped 35i.

Plus, we can all assume that resale value of diesel is better.

I did some calculations regarding diese/gas price vs mpg/price.
Diesel has to cost 55 cents more/gallon than gas, before it stops making sense.
In my area, the most I see is 20c more.

When time comes to buy new vehicle (assuming it will be X5), I will not buy a diesel, unless the final price is close to the gas alternative.

Let's admit it, the difference in MPG between 35d and 35 is not big enough to justify the ~4K difference in base price. If it wasn't for the diesel discount, not sure I would have went for it, as I said before.

[JCL]

Originally Posted by seattle

Did you account for the diesel credit?

No, that is a US program. Maybe it should be called Obamacar

[AKX3]

Originally Posted by seattle

Did you account for the diesel credit?

If it wasn't for the $3500 diesel credit, not sure if I would have gone for the diesel. After the credit, my 35d came out cheaper than comparably equipped 35i.

Plus, we can all assume that resale value of diesel is better.

I did some calculations regarding diese/gas price vs mpg/price.
Diesel has to cost 55 cents more/gallon than gas, before it stops making sense.
In my area, the most I see is 20c more.

When time comes to buy new vehicle (assuming it will be X5), I will not buy a diesel, unless the final price is close to the gas alternative.


Let's admit it, the difference in MPG between 35d and 35 is not big enough to justify the ~4K difference in base price. If it wasn't for the diesel discount, not sure I would have went for it, as I said before.

But the diesel credits apply to a NEW Bimmer... This original post was a comparison on a '08 4.8 vs '10 3.5d.. So no credits apply.

[BGM]

Originally Posted by JCL

I tend to agree, if one is keeping it for a long time.

I spec'd out a 35i and a 35d E70 on BMW.ca, admittedly different pricing than bmwusa. I used BMW published fuel consumption numbers. I assumed the same maintenance cost. I didn't worry about resale, since it is an unknown today.

At Jan 31 2012 local fuel prices (which are equal, premium vs diesel, in my town; YMMV) the payback period on the purchase price of the diesel was 110,600 km. To breakeven. In other words, I would have to run it for 6 years at typical 18,000 km/12,000 mile annual mileages, just to break even. Given the OP's 9,300 miles per year over the past 10 years, he would have to wait 8 years. That doesn't sound like a very attractive investment.

We will all have different fuel prices, tax breaks (or not), driving habits, vehicle option preferences, and so on. But it isn't in any way a sure thing that people will come out ahead with the diesel. And if local diesel prices are above gasoline prices, as they are in many locations, then the payback period is even longer. Just sayin'.

+1. And here in Texas price for Diesel is $.15 more than Premium per gallon.

[AKX3]

Originally Posted by ZheHbKa

in the long run diesel would be a win.

u want exhaust sound, drop a custom exhaust, replica wheels and flares would all run under 2k

u would get that back in gas mileage in short time

Z, Where can you get all of this for under $2,000??

I priced just the rims/tires flares, alone they were over $5,000! Exhaust?? NOT sure, but probably not cheap...

[ZheHbKa]

Originally Posted by AKX3

Z, Where can you get all of this for under $2,000??

I priced just the rims/tires flares, alone they were over $5,000! Exhaust?? NOT sure, but probably not cheap...

replica wheels are on ebay for about 750, just an example of 2 seconds search
20 BMW 214 Replica Wheels 4.4 E70 E53 X5 E71 X6 Silver | eBay

as for tires, Discount Tire, Custom Wheels, Truck & Car Rims | Discount Tire
i got 4 x 20" Conti DWS for $780 + install and wheel alignment ($80) = 860

750 + 860 = 1610

i believe flares are 275 or around there, plus few bucks to install if u cant do it yourself

so overall u r under 2k

again this is just surface search, im sure better deal can be found if u dig a little.

as for exhaust:
BMW E70 X5M X5 M E71 X6M X6 M S63 OEM US & ECE Boysen Motorsport Exhaust Muffler | eBay

just an example, but this will make X5 sound better then 4.8



im playing a devils advocate because i would get 35D over 48i but they were too pricey so i ended up with 48i

[AKX3]

Originally Posted by ZheHbKa

replica wheels are on ebay for about 750, just an example of 2 seconds search
20 BMW 214 Replica Wheels 4.4 E70 E53 X5 E71 X6 Silver | eBay

as for tires, Discount Tire, Custom Wheels, Truck & Car Rims | Discount Tire
i got 4 x 20" Conti DWS for $780 + install and wheel alignment ($80) = 860

750 + 860 = 1610

i believe flares are 275 or around there, plus few bucks to install if u cant do it yourself

so overall u r under 2k

again this is just surface search, im sure better deal can be found if u dig a little.

as for exhaust:
BMW E70 X5M X5 M E71 X6M X6 M S63 OEM US & ECE Boysen Motorsport Exhaust Muffler | eBay

just an example, but this will make X5 sound better then 4.8



im playing a devils advocate because i would get 35D over 48i but they were too pricey so i ended up with 48i

WOW!!! I had no idea, I priced them with the Original bmw, etc.... Thanks for the great find, I never thought of replica wheels, Conti tires, flares, even the exhaust! I stand corrected...