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Old 12-29-2014, 10:37 AM
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Introduction + questions on upcoming purchase (diesel)

Hello everyone,

Just run across this site few days ago as we begun looking for CPOed X5 35d 2011/12 within 40/50kMiles. I'm new to BMW (love those cars but happen to become a Volvo guy long time ago), but my wife used to have 3 series some time ago and want to buy another one. Her current FX 35 has a bad mojo so you know the drill.. She was set to try X3 and X5, and we test drove several cars. As a family hauler she choose X5 (it was not a question for me from a beginning, I'm seeing a boat purchase in not so distant future so I would need a tow ).
I suggested a diesel and she was pleasantly impressed with overall performance... But last night I read several horror and semi-horror stories and now I feel little nervous as if the car would have any diesel specific issues I would be in charge..
So here are my questions: is there anything I should know before we are going back and closing the deal? Any extra maintenance I should ask about? So far the only issue I saw with car is read pads running low: probably about 2-3 mm. The car has about 42 kmiles on it and dealer claims that these are good for another 13kMiles... I'm kind of skeptical on that estimate..
what is DEF? how often you have to add it? sorry, just read about for a first time....

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Old 12-29-2014, 11:45 AM
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DEF is something you add every periodically - usually along with oil changes, or as often as you desire. Kinda like washer fluid, but requires a special funnel usually made out of old DEF bottle.

Re reliability, if you're getting a CPO and will be warrantied for another 2-3 years, you don't have to worry much as you'll have plenty of time to learn all aspects of diesel ownership.

Coming from Volvo, make sure you like BMW seats - you may find them very different.
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Old 12-29-2014, 11:47 AM
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Just picked up a CPO 2013 X5 E70 3.5d the other day. Had a E53 X5 before that. My first impressions of my Diesel E70.

Feels more solid but engine noise at acceleration is a little louder than my gas E53 4.4. I kind of like the truck sound . Tremendous amount of torque and will make a great tow vehicle. OEM hitch is very expensive so if you get a CPO may be worth negotiating them to add that for free.

I am also getting about 29 mpg which is much better than the 13 mpg I got with my 4.4 X5. Yes hunting around for Diesel can be a little bit of a pain but after you find the stations near you that goes away. Also no issues starting at very cold temps.. maybe a couple seconds delay after pressing start button when temps approach 0 degrees. Dealer tops off DEF(exhaust fluid) when it goes it for oil change so no big deal. Kids get a kick out of the car as it runs on Pee(DEF is Urea)

Overall very happy.
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Old 12-29-2014, 01:59 PM
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Hello everyone,

Just run across this site few days ago as we begun looking for CPOed X5 35d 2011/12 within 40/50kMiles. I'm new to BMW (love those cars but happen to become a Volvo guy long time ago), but my wife used to have 3 series some time ago and want to buy another one. Her current FX 35 has a bad mojo so you know the drill.. She was set to try X3 and X5, and we test drove several cars. As a family hauler she choose X5 (it was not a question for me from a beginning, I'm seeing a boat purchase in not so distant future so I would need a tow ).
I suggested a diesel and she was pleasantly impressed with overall performance... But last night I read several horror and semi-horror stories and now I feel little nervous as if the car would have any diesel specific issues I would be in charge..
So here are my questions: is there anything I should know before we are going back and closing the deal? Any extra maintenance I should ask about? So far the only issue I saw with car is read pads running low: probably about 2-3 mm. The car has about 42 kmiles on it and dealer claims that these are good for another 13kMiles... I'm kind of skeptical on that estimate..
what is DEF? how often you have to add it? sorry, just read about for a first time....

Thanks in advance
Kirill
Welcome.

So being a volvo and infiniti guy, minor issues with $ wont be a shock.

I am comfortable with 2011+ diesels. I had a 2010 and now a 2012. Ive read almost every post on here and bimmerfest about diesel issues for 4 years.

It is impossible for a CPO to be sold with pads under 50%. Read up on the CPO guidelines ...tires must be over 50% at all three locations across the tire, and pads over 50% (all 8 pads)

Are you going to have a PPI done? DO NOT assume the BMW cpo is anything more than a marketing ploy to sell used cars at over market prices. You can buy the same warranty for $4k. CPO cars can have damage, repairs, paint, etc, etc. Dealers can lie about them or just miss stuff- YOU will be the one stuck if this happens. BMWNA will say "this is between you and the selling dealer". Just FYI

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Thanks everyone for comments. We just brought home Vermilion Red/Black Nevada X5, well equipped diesel, 2011 CPO with 44kMiles on odometer. One owner, locally purchased/serviced/traded in family car.
We had PPI, and me being a little bit PITa insisted and succeed on brake job (rears), replacing wheel center caps, furnishing car with mats, cargo cover and fixing few minor imperfections.. I missed the fact that map was not updated, not sure if they gonna charge me for that...

Anyway, look forward to gain some knowledge here as I like to know my cars and usually service/fix minor/medium issues myself.
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Thanks everyone for comments. We just brought home Vermilion Red/Black Nevada X5, well equipped diesel, 2011 CPO with 44kMiles on odometer. One owner, locally purchased/serviced/traded in family car.
We had PPI, and me being a little bit PITa insisted and succeed on brake job (rears), replacing wheel center caps, furnishing car with mats, cargo cover and fixing few minor imperfections.. I missed the fact that map was not updated, not sure if they gonna charge me for that...

Anyway, look forward to gain some knowledge here as I like to know my cars and usually service/fix minor/medium issues myself.
1. did that brake job include rotors????

2. DO NOT buy a map from the dealer. $50 online. You download the map data for free, burn it onto a USB drive, then purchase an FSC code that allows your vin to download the USB into the car. Search. Dealers have charged up to $450 for this!
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1. did that brake job include rotors????

2. DO NOT buy a map from the dealer. $50 online. You download the map data for free, burn it onto a USB drive, then purchase an FSC code that allows your vin to download the USB into the car. Search. Dealers have charged up to $450 for this!

1. No rotors, just pads + "sensors" <- new thing for me. Rotors have minor lip. 40k is to early for rotors anyway.

2. Thanks for that tip.

Now I have VIDA for my Volvo (error reading, data logging etc). Is there anything similar for BMW?
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Old 12-31-2014, 03:32 AM
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VIDA? If that is what I think it is then yes, you can download INPA for all diagnostics (BMW used to use this in their workshops). There is also NCS EXPERT for coding. Both are free but restrengthened some patience to get working in some cases.
If you want something extremely easy to use that is also BMW specific then you can download BMWhat from either Apple store or Android market for about $50 which isn't considered cheap because of the free "official" software out there but honestly, for the effort the guys have put into it I personally didn't mind paying...of course it helped a bunch that it saved me $4500 immediately. Android version is a little more user friendly I believe.
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1. No rotors, just pads + "sensors" <- new thing for me. Rotors have minor lip. 40k is to early for rotors anyway.
Uh. So how thin WERE the rotors?? If the rotors have worn more than 50%, then if you put new pads only, by the time those pads are worn the rotors will be under spec. This is why the BMW SIB states 'pads plus rotors'

When you PAY bmw to do a brake job they state "must replace rotors with pads"...when they pay, they skimp.

(Back in the day, BMW had regular inspections for brakes- every X miles. Hence you could replace pads and rotors independently when they were needed. But BMW hen to the CBS, with essentially only a pad measurement. So their procedure changed to 'replace it all'. Dealers use the old argument when it suits them...)

If I was faced with an SA that insisted the rotors were fine, Id ask 5 things:
1. What is the current measurement?
2. What it the new rotor measurement?
3. What is the wear limit?
4. When will the next scheduled brake inspection occur?
5. How can you assure me that the rotor will not be under spec when #4 occurs?
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Update.

Car has "Variable Light Decoding" (08S4). Haven't drove on highways in the dark yet, but while making sharp turns in residential area, I noticed a supplemental lights came on on the side I'm turning. Pretty cool feature.. Wondering if it has full fledged adaptive lights shifting on highway.

What would be a proper way to play music from iPhone 5? I hooked up it to USB port and was greeted by "Not supported" message on iDrive display...

And btw, while Volvo seats are awesome so far I like front seats in X. Definitely improvement vs FX35 seats.
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