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bsprtsgrp 03-29-2006 01:45 PM

Sirius and BM53 Question
 
I am having Service Measure B65 209 04 (FM mode switching from Stereo to Mono/fading in and out) done tomorrow at my dealer. It is my understanding that with the installation of the new BM53 radio and the new software in it, that Sirius would now work in my X5 that has the MKIV NAV System. I am trying to convince my dealer that the new BM53 Radio would in fact work with the BMW Sirius Kit.

Any input would be appreciated.

apw2607 03-29-2006 03:03 PM

Yep. You're right. Any BM53 Radio from 9/2003 has the updated s/w to support Sirius and would work with your NAV. It also allows the CD Changer to be daisy changed to the Sirius receiver so you can have both.

The latest part # for BM53 is 65.12.6.976.961

This part also includes support for ID3 tag display when used with the latest (from 9/2005) BMW OEM CD Changer as well, so if they fit the very latest BM53 that will be a nice upgrade for you.

Cheers, Adrian

broknlgs24 03-29-2006 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by apw2607
Yep. You're right. Any BM53 Radio from 9/2003 has the updated s/w to support Sirius and would work with your NAV. It also allows the CD Changer to be daisy changed to the Sirius receiver so you can have both.

The latest part # for BM53 is 65.12.6.976.961

This part also includes support for ID3 tag display when used with the latest (from 9/2005) BMW OEM CD Changer as well, so if they fit the very latest BM53 that will be a nice upgrade for you.

Cheers, Adrian

u know, that's the same exact part that i recently
purchased and i've yet to get my Sirius working.:mad:

apw2607 03-29-2006 03:24 PM

Tell us more !!!! :-)

A couple of quick checks.

Make sure you have a MKIV Nav computer
Make sure in BM Radio service mode, Radio is set to USA, otherwise Sirius won't be selectable from the MODE button.

bsprtsgrp 03-29-2006 03:40 PM

This what the Service Measure states......

Service Measure B65-209-04 - updated on 4/30/04

Subject: E39, E46, E53 with BM53 Radio Navigation system, and DSP or Harman/Kardon Amplifier: Radio is switching from Stereo to Mono

Complaint: In FM mode only the radio sound is switching from Stereo to Mono, fading in and out.

Cause: Software error in the BM53 Radio.

Measure: On a customer complaint basis only, replace the BM53 radio. Install a BM53 radio with the new software, P/N: 65-12-4-135-562

broknlgs24 03-29-2006 03:40 PM

i have 8 pages of info. here.

bsprtsgrp 03-29-2006 03:51 PM

UPDATE.....the part number they are installing tomorrow is 65-12-6-976-962

apw2607 03-29-2006 09:18 PM

Interesting ... although I think you will find the part # will end with 961 !! For some reason the BMW parts database for the BM radios is off by 1 ... no idea why ?!!

apw2607 03-29-2006 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by broknlgs24
i have 8 pages of info. here.

Wow .. I'm just reading through now.

Your radio is good.
Your Board monitor is good.

The only thing left to try is the NAV MK IV. According to Martin at BMWNAV, he suggests that the Firmware inside the MK IV has to be 3.0 or higher for Sirius to function correctly. Perhaps thats the problem. After all, you've changed pretty much everything else !

http://www.bimmernav.com/BMW_Sirius_..._Retrofit.html

65.90-6 920 182 SW1.2
65.90-6 920 713 SW2.0 (and SW3.0 ?)
65.90-6 942 908 SW2.0 & SW2.1
65.90-6 942 910 SW ?
65.90-6 942 908-03 SW3.0
65.90-6 951 629-01 SW4.0
65-90-6-971-353-01 SW5.0

http://www.bimmerboard.com/forums/posts/168922/

Good Luck !

Terry Kennedy 03-29-2006 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by apw2607
Interesting ... although I think you will find the part # will end with 961 !! For some reason the BMW parts database for the BM radios is off by 1 ... no idea why ?!!

The odd/even number reflects new/remanufactured units.

broknlgs24 03-30-2006 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by apw2607
Wow .. I'm just reading through now.

Your radio is good.
Your Board monitor is good.

The only thing left to try is the NAV MK IV. According to Martin at BMWNAV, he suggests that the Firmware inside the MK IV has to be 3.0 or higher for Sirius to function correctly. Perhaps thats the problem. After all, you've changed pretty much everything else !

http://www.bimmernav.com/BMW_Sirius_..._Retrofit.html

65.90-6 920 182 SW1.2
65.90-6 920 713 SW2.0 (and SW3.0 ?)
65.90-6 942 908 SW2.0 & SW2.1
65.90-6 942 910 SW ?
65.90-6 942 908-03 SW3.0
65.90-6 951 629-01 SW4.0
65-90-6-971-353-01 SW5.0

http://www.bimmerboard.com/forums/posts/168922/

Good Luck !

any clue to the cost of that?

Terry Kennedy 03-30-2006 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by apw2607
The only thing left to try is the NAV MK IV. According to Martin at BMWNAV, he suggests that the Firmware inside the MK IV has to be 3.0 or higher for Sirius to function correctly. Perhaps thats the problem. After all, you've changed pretty much everything else !

Nope, I have an 02/2002 production 325xiT which had the second week ever of MK IV production, and my Sirius tuner came up on the NAV screeen fine once I replaced the BM53 radio.

apw2607 03-30-2006 12:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terry Kennedy
Nope, I have an 02/2002 production 325xiT which had the second week ever of MK IV production, and my Sirius tuner came up on the NAV screeen fine once I replaced the BM53 radio.

Well I'm out of ideas then. Sorry.

ambishop 03-30-2006 01:02 AM

The other idea that does not seem to be explored too much is a bogus Sirius receiver. I talked with one guy for hours while we debugged his system and the fuse holder turned out to be jacked up on the sirius receiver.

I have used a number of radios in my installs and helping others to get Sirius and have not had any problems as long as it was made after the change over date, you should be set to go.

Martin
www.bimmernav.com

Terry Kennedy 03-30-2006 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ambishop
The other idea that does not seem to be explored too much is a bogus Sirius receiver. I talked with one guy for hours while we debugged his system and the fuse holder turned out to be jacked up on the sirius receiver.

A related issue is that the original batch of Sirius receivers had different part numbers for NAV and non-NAV cars, and wouldn't work in the opposite type (these are the receivers with 2 antenna connectors). The newer one-connector receiver works with both NAV and non-NAV cars.

broknlgs24 03-30-2006 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terry Kennedy
A related issue is that the original batch of Sirius receivers had different part numbers for NAV and non-NAV cars, and wouldn't work in the opposite type (these are the receivers with 2 antenna connectors). The newer one-connector receiver works with both NAV and non-NAV cars.

my Sirius receiver looks like the 1 pictured below -

http://www.xoutpost.com/images/articl...Guide-16_1.jpg

is it because i may have a sirius receiver for a non-nav BMW?:dunno:

apw2607 03-30-2006 02:39 PM

Well lets get that receiver out of there and check the part number !!

From what I could digg up for you, there were two part numbers floating around for Sirius receivers with the two antenna input.

84-11-0-141-981 This first part # was reported not to work with NAV cars and was for in-dash radios only.
84-11-0-153-365 This second number was the receiver to work with NAV cars ... although it appeared also to work with Non-NAV cars (?) ... so go figure.

If you have the first part number, then this could be it !

broknlgs24 04-01-2006 04:44 PM

well, well, well. wouldn't u know it?
the part # for the Sirius Receiver that
i have is 84-11-0-141-981. um, so
where does that leave me? anyone
interested in purchasing a Sirius
Receiver?

apw2607 04-01-2006 07:50 PM

Sounds like the mystery may be coming to an end ! :)

Circlebmw have very competitive pricing with their Sirius Receivers ... so you might want to check that out for your new receiver. The latest sirius receiver 65 12 0 398 140 will work with both NAV and Non-Nav cars.

You should have no prob selling your current receiver .... just make sure folks know it compatible with the in-dash CD player only (from 10/2002) and it will work with certainly E46, E53, and E39)

broknlgs24 04-01-2006 09:02 PM

apw - i will definitely be going down that path real
soon. thanks again for ur insight.

broknlgs24 04-04-2006 10:52 AM

apw - above u mention 2 part #'s floating around
84-11-0-141-981 and 84-11-0-153-365. then, u
go on to say that the recent part # is
65-12-0-398-140. i contacted one dealer and they
say the part # is 84-11-0-150-535. which is it? i'm
confused.:confused:

apw2607 04-04-2006 11:48 AM

Right. Perhaps the -140 unit has now being superseeded ... its possible.

Take a look at this link. It lists all the Sirius parts for the x5 individually.

http://www.circlebmw.com/parts/sirius/sirius-e53.htm

Good Luck !

Ps: I did a quick google search on that part # they gave you and its listed for a Mini ... so I'm not so sure !

odie3 09-30-2006 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by apw2607
Yep. You're right. Any BM53 Radio from 9/2003 has the updated s/w to support Sirius and would work with your NAV. It also allows the CD Changer to be daisy changed to the Sirius receiver so you can have both.

The latest part # for BM53 is 65.12.6.976.961

This part also includes support for ID3 tag display when used with the latest (from 9/2005) BMW OEM CD Changer as well, so if they fit the very latest BM53 that will be a nice upgrade for you.

Cheers, Adrian

I have a 2004 X3 with Nav System. I am thinking of getting the CD MP3/WMA Changer at bimmernav.com. What would be the chances that I do *not* need to replace my BM53 so I can get Audiotext?

Assuming that my BM53 needs to be replaced would the dealer replace it under Service Measure B65-209-04?? I ask since in this SM the X3 (E83) is not listed as a problem car.

I still have a some warranty left on the X3 ;)


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