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Video Chef 12-20-2005 07:31 PM

'02 X5 w/Nav Mk3 to Mk4 Upgrade
 
I have an '02 X5 3.0 with factory navigation (Mk3). I believe the vehicle is 11/01 production. The nav is acting a little odd and the dealer said they would replace it and upgrade it to the Mk4 (as I am still under factory warranty). Now the service advisor is saying that the Mk4 will NOT work as the wiring is different or the systems will not communicate and that it has to be the CD-based version. Does this sound correct? They said they emailed BMW. I'm sure I've read about 2002 X5's being upgraded from Mk3 to Mk4 just by swapping the "drive unit". I also spoke to one of the tech's and he wasn't sure. I called another dealer and spoke to their parts department and asked teh same question. They said they couldn't find any documention saying that you could simply pop in a Mk4 drive into a 2002 X5. Maybe it's only for later production 02's or just not a Certified BMW "upgrade".

UCrewX5 12-20-2005 08:03 PM

It's a plug-n-play direct swap. Takes all of 5 minutes to do. I did this on my 2001 X5 a couple years ago, so I speak from direct experience (and many many others have done this as well)

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ATLX5 12-21-2005 10:20 AM

Interesting
 
I have the same model X5 and my nav screen was acting weird also. They replaced it with another system. How do I know which version they replaced it with?

Video Chef 12-21-2005 10:31 AM

Drive says DVD on it.
 
If you flip open the panel that hides the drive rack in the back left of the cargo area, you will see a slot-loading drive. If it says DVD on it, it's a Mk4.

UCrewX5 12-21-2005 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Video Chef
If you flip open the panel that hides the drive rack in the back left of the cargo area, you will see a slot-loading drive. If it says DVD on it, it's a Mk4.

:iagree: The MkIV drive looks like this

http://www.xoutpost.com/images/articles/59/mk4.jpg

More info on the nav system can be found here - http://www.xoutpost.com/showarticle-59.html

Jeff

ATLX5 12-21-2005 08:22 PM

Duh
 
WOW I feel stupid....Sorry for the dumb question. I guess my real question is can Mk3 run siruis through the nav and steering controls?

UCrewX5 12-21-2005 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ATLX5
can Mk3 run siruis through the nav and steering controls?

Yes, as long as you have a 2004 or newer radio module.

ATLX5 12-21-2005 08:36 PM

nav question
 
That leads me back to my original question then...how do I know what module I have? What is the module? where is it? sorry guys but I want to be able to get sirius for my wife without having the eyesore of the sirius thing in the car

UCrewX5 12-21-2005 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ATLX5
That leads me back to my original question then...how do I know what module I have? What is the module? where is it? sorry guys but I want to be able to get sirius for my wife without having the eyesore of the sirius thing in the car

The radio module is the unit just to the left of what the yellow arrow is pointing to on the picture below (the arrow points to where the video module is located, if equipped). This is down in the spare tire well in the back of the vehicle.

Highly unlikely that it is a 2004+ unit unless your X5 is a 2004 or newer or you replaced it yourself. You may have to remove the module and look at the sticker on the side to see what the build date was in order to be certain.

http://www.xoutpost.com/images/articles/30/DSC01172.JPG

Video Chef 12-22-2005 03:49 PM

Apparently, my dealer did not actually try to replace the drive. He simply went to BMW and they said it is not a covered procedure - ie bad CD drive (Mk3) gets swapped with a new DVD drive (Mk4). Standard operating procedure on an X5 appears to swap like for like, unlike on the 7 Series where the upgrade to DVD is SOP. Anyone seen other than this?

UCrewX5 12-22-2005 03:57 PM

Honestly, I think I recall this going both ways. If the dealer can get their hands on a MkIII then that's likely what they will use (a like for like). If not, you'll get the benefit of getting upgraded to the MkIV for free.

For your sake, I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the dealer is unable to locate a MkIII.

Video Chef 12-22-2005 04:37 PM

Guess I'll just take it to the other 3 BMW dealers in town as well. They didn't replace the CD drive at all. They just flashed the software - which I could have done. What I don't want is for the drive to go bad now that I only have 200 miles left on my factory warranty and CPO doesn't cover it. :dunno:

UCrewX5 12-22-2005 05:16 PM

Keep your records on this. If it fails in a reasonably short time frame after the warranty expires then BMW should still cover it under "good will"

Video Chef 12-27-2005 12:08 PM

Odd...
 
The dealer said they "flashed" a new version of the software but it still says 3-1/40 ( I think). I know they are definitely newer versions for the Mk3. Perhaps they flashed the Radio's software? When I get in to the X, sometimes the BMW logo appears immediately and sometimes it's not til I have driven away. Sometimes teh "Please Wait" screen somes on for a few seconds and sometimes not. Is this just the OS booting from a "cold" state or what's the deal? Teh Navtech CD is one the dealer snagged from another vehicle so maybe they are out of sync? Also, I notice that when I have the map in "direction of tavel" mode, it takes what seems like way too long to actually chage the map direction once I have turned on another road and sometimes it looks like I am playing "Asteroids" as the triangle is just spinning of facing the wrong way. Ultimately it's not a big deal, I'm sure I am being WAY too picky - provided this is "operating as designed".

UCrewX5 12-27-2005 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Video Chef
The dealer said they "flashed" a new version of the software but it still says 3-1/40 ( I think). I know they are definitely newer versions for the Mk3. Perhaps they flashed the Radio's software? When I get in to the X, sometimes the BMW logo appears immediately and sometimes it's not til I have driven away. Sometimes teh "Please Wait" screen somes on for a few seconds and sometimes not. Is this just the OS booting from a "cold" state or what's the deal? Teh Navtech CD is one the dealer snagged from another vehicle so maybe they are out of sync? Also, I notice that when I have the map in "direction of tavel" mode, it takes what seems like way too long to actually chage the map direction once I have turned on another road and sometimes it looks like I am playing "Asteroids" as the triangle is just spinning of facing the wrong way. Ultimately it's not a big deal, I'm sure I am being WAY too picky - provided this is "operating as designed".

The latest OS for the MkIII is 3-1/63, and any disk higher than V22 will take you to that level.

3-1/40 is V18, which is ANCIENT!!! It's the very first splitscreen release and there were plenty of bugs in it. If it were me, I would take a copy of this Service Bulletin back to the dealer and have them get your OS updates to the latest supported level - http://www.xoutpost.com/pdf/v26.pdf

From the descriptions, it still sounds like your nav drive is starting to get a bit flakey. As mentioned before, keep all of your records so that if it fails after your warranty has expired then you can show the dealer that you had identified this problem to them prior to that.

History on the various nav levels is at http://www.xoutpost.com/showarticle-59.html

:goodluck:

Video Chef 12-29-2005 12:00 PM

I just looked again at the Nav CD that the dealer popped in until they get my new one ine and its like 2000.1 or something like that. Could that be causing some oddities?

UCrewX5 12-29-2005 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Video Chef
I just looked again at the Nav CD that the dealer popped in until they get my new one ine and its like 2000.1 or something like that. Could that be causing some oddities?

You seem to be confusing the nav OS CD with the nav map CD. Two different animals.

The OS CD is a one-time use disk that is used to update the operating system firmware on the navigation drive. Think of it as the difference between Windows 98 vs. Windows ME vs. Windows XP. All of these will run your PC, but XP each has additional enhancements that make people want the latest and greatest.

The navigation map is the disk that is kept in the nav drive during normal operations and it contains the database of maps and routes that provide the guidance for the vehicle. If you have version 2000.1 then you have an ANCIENT map disk. It can cause "oddities" in that the map database you have is over 5 years old and contains lots of outdated and/or is missing information that is now found on newer disks. The latest is version 2005.2 and there have been many updates in between. You can get new map disks at http://navteq.com or on eBay.

Hope this helps.

detailersdomain 01-03-2006 10:10 AM

A little off the topic but what is the price of the MKIV?


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