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Old 05-26-2020, 10:44 AM
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BC, guys like you and I, should not even be arguing this! The point is moot, right?

It's not an argument yet but yes, it I don't know why it matters.
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Old 05-26-2020, 11:40 AM
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It won’t become one. It’s ok to have the opinion that I’m nuts for caring. Clearly from layperson understanding “they” have decided to use a few inaccurate names some of which mean sort of the opposite but to the general public they are equally concerned about the virus and the disease they don’t care to know the distinction.

My my contention is that fact is driving much of the anxiety and if people will learn the difference they will be able to lower their stress and anxiety. AIDS is worse than HIV; covid-19 is worse than sars-cob-2. Simple facts like this can help end the full stop on life as we know it.
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Old 05-26-2020, 01:55 PM
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No expert worth listening to refers to the virus by the name of the disease there is a distinct difference such as HIV the virus that causes AIDS.

Not all people that get infected by the virus will catch the disease that is caused by the virus so there needs to be a distinction or (just as right now) there is confusion.

If swine flu originated in a particular town near where I lived I would northeast absolutely ok with using a centurys old tradition that is logical and easy to understand even if; like in the case of the Spanish flu it was inadvertently attributed to Spain because they Reported it the most.

*some* of us would be offended by the logical naming of a virus I suppose that’s means they will be offended also by logic.
I don't agree with you on this. For all intents and purposes, every news outlets and government agencies refer to this virus as Covid-19.

It's simple to remember, even a "layman" can derive that 'CO' stands for corona, 'VI' for virus, and 'D' for disease.

Easy, simple, and the general public is accepting it as the most commonly used name of the virus.

Like I said, you're free to call it whatever you want. I won't stoop to that level.

I think BC is right, if you refuse to put yourself in other people's shoes, you're not a considerate person. And that's fine. Nobody is forcing you to do so.

It's common courteousy. Which does tend to become rare and far between when there's anxiety and anger and the need to place blames.
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Old 05-26-2020, 02:34 PM
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I won't stoop to that level.

I think BC is right, if you refuse to put yourself in other people's shoes, you're not a considerate person. And that's fine. Nobody is forcing you to do so.

It's common courteousy. Which does tend to become rare and far between when there's anxiety and anger and the need to place blames.
You should acknowledge that you are a hypocrite.

When BC and I were having a disagreement, you exacerbated the issue. I was upset and instead of placing yourself in my shoes, you threw out insults.

I recall they were condescending insults, one being you calling me “highness”.

You didn’t put yourself in my shoes, you made it worse, adding to the problem.

Practice what you preach.
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Old 05-27-2020, 02:46 AM
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You should acknowledge that you are a hypocrite.

When BC and I were having a disagreement, you exacerbated the issue. I was upset and instead of placing yourself in my shoes, you threw out insults.

I recall they were condescending insults, one being you calling me “highness”.

You didn’t put yourself in my shoes, you made it worse, adding to the problem.

Practice what you preach.
I would not compare your highness with wh virus. But I apologized all the same.

Yeah, keep reminding us how hurt u are coz I said ur highness.


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Yeah Crystal, hopefully we can put all this behind us soon.

I am thinking of taking the cover off old girl. The sound and smell of a blown BMW will take my mind off of it all. It’s been about 2 months.

We can still talk about BMW’s here right? Don’t want to offend anybody.

If it pleases your highness, Happy, you can talk about anything that tickles your fancy. Just qualify it with a contribution for the virus discussion.
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Ahh.. no.. that’s ok. Condescending chatter is not my flavor.
Is Happy a reference to Jon Favreau's character in the Marvels movie? He's a pretty cool cat.

I don't mean anything nasty Happy. But I appreciate any contribution on the topic, anything at all.”

Not really sure how offensive my comment was. So I posted the whole exchange here. But like I said, apology was offered, yet u continue to hold grudges.
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Old 05-27-2020, 03:14 AM
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I don't agree with you on this. For all intents and purposes, every news outlets and government agencies refer to this virus as Covid-19.

It's simple to remember, even a "layman" can derive that 'CO' stands for corona, 'VI' for virus, and 'D' for disease.

Easy, simple, and the general public is accepting it as the most commonly used name of the virus.

Like I said, you're free to call it whatever you want. I won't stoop to that level.

I think BC is right, if you refuse to put yourself in other people's shoes, you're not a considerate person. And that's fine. Nobody is forcing you to do so.

It's common courteousy. Which does tend to become rare and far between when there's anxiety and anger and the need to place blames.
You are proving my point for me: COrona VIrus DISEASE.

Show me a few examples (links not screen cap) that backs your case of:

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Easy, simple, and the general public is accepting it as the most commonly used name of the virus.
You are INCORRECT about that being used as the name of the virus; virtually 100% of 'news' organizations use the term 'coronavirus' which is also incorrect but at least it's close; it's not a virus 'coronavirus' is a CLASS of virusES.

I 'get' that the WHO wanted to course correct after 10s of 1000s of 'news' broadcasts used the term Wuhan Coronavirus (a specific virus), due to the stigma that people seem to need to assign to such a name.

It's a little like telling people they can no longer use the word 'yellow' and from this point on you just say 'color' The bus was painted color. The car is color, I once had a color ball. Color paint used to be dangerous because it used to have lead in it.

If those phrases sound weird they are because a CLASS of noun (type of adjective used to describe the wavelength of the light bouncing off something). They should sound weird because it's not correct grammar. There is no difference if you call the virus covid-19 it's plain and simple: INCORRECT. aka 'wrong'

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It's not clear how deadly the Wuhan coronavirus will be, but fatality rates are currently lower than both MERS and SARS. Experts stress that it will change as the outbreak develops. -cnn
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Wuhan coronavirus whistleblower doctor dies as confirmed cases top 30,000 -cnn
People that understand the difference between a virus and a disease will use the correct terms:

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This article lists the pages containing the chronology and epidemiology of SARS-CoV-2,[1] the virus which causes the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) and is responsible for the COVID-19 pandemic. The first human cases of COVID-19 were identified in Wuhan, China, in December 2019. At this stage it is not possible to determine precisely how humans in China were initially infected with SARS-CoV-2.[2] Furthermore, some developments may become known or fully understood only in retrospect.
The Legacy media have their puppet strings pulled by AP, WHO and they get their puppet strings pulled by CCP. I've no interest in jumping on that train.

I have no idea what you are talking about 'putting in other peoples shoes' I think you think i use the term wuhan virus other than explaining that people have used that term by the 10s of 1000s before the WHO told AP to change the guidelines. It's a 'gotcha' world PC police state; it was ok for them to do for months but suddenly when CCP tells WHO to tell AP to not use the term it's instantly radioactive.

I may occasionally use the alias of sars-cov-2, because it's a pain to say and It's like fingernails on a chalk board but much worse. It's like not knowing how many feet in a mile or inches in a foot or cm in a meter, common knowledge and simply being accurate. You can round to the nearest integer or you can round to the nearest 100; saying coronavirus is literally 'rounding to the nearest dozen'; who does that?

There is no alias for the virus so people fearful of being called racist use a vague term that means the same as a common cold ; it's moronic and They should have just named it BATVI-23 or something but they were lazy or stupid or thought the world needed kid gloves and be shielded from the truth.

after two months of *everybody on earth* using the (now) politically incorrect but accurate phrase, WHO said you have to stop, but gave no alternative; they said, stop using 'wuhan virus' it's racist and derogatory to Chinese (only if they want it to be), the virus now has a name: sars-cov-2… oh, but that's going to freak out all of Asia because it's going to give them PTSD from sars-cov-1.

So of the actual name and only alias for the virus they say don't use either so the 'news' reports sounds like a 5 year old that doesn't know many words and just injects a word they heard their parent use once in a while.

You aren't putting your feet in my shoes if you are trying to call me inconsiderate, it's polar opposite; i'm the one that about 4x a year will stop and help somebody change their tire, jump start a battery or drive 100 miles out of my once in a while to give somebody a lift that doesn't have a car (stranger).

I'm being called insensitive or racist or any of a bunch of names simply for pointing out the hypocrisy of the 'news' who move the goal posts all the time for 'gotcha' moments. Very very inaccurate, don't have a racist bone in my body, I can't figure out where that comes from as i said before 'race' is a made-up thing that also, coincidentally is just a vague thing that is inaccurate.

It seems like you think i'm staying we should use Wuhan Virus as the name; nope never said that, Don't often use it, don't recommend it. I recommend give it a proper nickname so people don't have to sound so uneducated by not knowing the difference between a disease or a virus and interchanging them willy nilly because they don't know the difference. What I did say is there really is nothing intrinsically evil about using the name. That does't mean it doesn't hurt peoples feelings but facts don't have feelings I like facts, I like objective reporting (haven't seen that for a while; they could remove that phrase from the dictionary).

You won't stoop to the level of what exactly? calling an apple and apple and an orange an orange? I didn't say 'the world' should use the term Wuhan virus; people with foam rubber backbones will be bothered by it; i care about the foam-rubber humans also and it's not that difficult to avoid using the term but they should have and still could give it a nickname so *they* (media) don't sound like they are uneducated dolts. They won't 'that ship has sailed' but I can't bring myself to use the kindergarten grammar.

Fortunately the majority of discussion about the topic is really more interested in the disease and for that they do have a decent nickname 'covid-19' or as i usually type cv19. I guess i could program a keyboard shortcut to type sars-cov-2 if i type wuhan. hmmmm alias swapping.

Just because 'everybody' is 'ignorance is bliss' doesn't make it good nor correct.

As i've said my contention is that when you cloud the discussion with inaccuracies that helps nobody. The fear and anxiety is at a higher level than it shoudl be specifically because of no good way to discuss the disease vs the virus when you use the SAME PHRASE for both!

It's not evil or wrong to refer to ALS as Lou Gehrig's disease. It's not, really for reals, it's not.

Covid-19 is the disease not the virus and of the 10 or 15 news or 'news' articles i just looked up, they universally have that one correct. Not sure where you get your 'news' from that they call the virus covid-19..

What they do say is 'coronavirus' which is vague and incorrect but it's close-ish and from context you can usually tell they are just avoiding the original source of the germ.

I know that some people will and are using the phrase in a derogatory way; that's wrong. Even if correct, doing *anything* in a mean spirited way is just plain wrong (unless it's funny enough; funny trumps mean).

You can find peace in your inner sanctum of being incorrect if it helps you get through your day, i just don't know why you'd refuse to learn a little and grow. It's common courtesy to accept some facts once in a while and admit i guess i was wrong (two very good examples from @UAL pointing out i made a 6 week error in a timeline that made for an entirely different makeup of initial cv19 cases in the usa).

I'm trying hard to avoid the correct and accurate term for the state you are in if you don't have the full knowledge of facts because you might take it as a put-down or offense when it's just factual. Facts don't have feelings.
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Andrew with all due respect, i read almost all your post above. Tried to read most of it anyway.

Here's my reply:

1. You're right, i'm confusing covid-19 the disease with the correct name for the virus.

2. I'm ok calling it cv, sars-cov-2, covid-19 again, or coronavirus. I'm not ok calling it anything else.

3. I believe then, and still believe now, calling this virus with a geographical association is both insensitive and derogatory.

4. This may not have come through in my post, but i actually agree with everything else you've said on your above post. And i actually think you are what you said. I see plenty of evidence of your selfless help in this forum, and I find it very likely you also do the same outside of this forum.
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Without tone and intonation It's *really* hard to judge if somebody is just busting somebody's balls as a friend teasing another friend. Good example i can't share the exact details, but one of my xo buddies sent me a super amazingly raunchy joke, so i made that his nickname on my phone so now when he calls I see 'holy shit did somebody really say that' (paraphrasing because i can't share in mixed company (or with anybody not the 'new nickname' person).

Reading the post above, It leans in Maruzo's favor and the your highness though seemingly a mean spirited jab that had no point in a letter of supposed apology; if you use sarcasm in an apology it's no apology, however, 'in M's mind', he said sorry, but in Happy's mind He just saw sarcasm and it's a lose-lose. A proper apology goes something like "yup your right i was bing a dipshit, sorry about that".

My take is that M was 'being a smartass' (always better than a dumbass), and was basically saying 'you're mama'. Kid humor just meant to get a rise out of somebody (again not appropriate in a mia culpa).

Don't try to ad humor to an apology it's a common defense mechanism but it usually negates the apology. (with the exception exampled above where the humor is self-deprocating (i can't spell that word; not even close enough to warrant a suggested replacement ).

If i say something that sounds 'super harsh' I'm 'busting your balls' If i deem somebody a worthy sparing partner, I can do the verbal beat-down like a pro. I have lines that wold make anthony jeselnik blush. Even in cases where i've cut lose a soon to be ex-friend, I'll be using facts to back my words not pointless insults.

The reason that dialog 'goes to M' is that rather than a 'wtf, that's not nice', Happy doubled down and spit back in the face of M vs. 'nice try but how bout a simple 'sorry pal no harm intended i was just being a smartass trying to be funny'.

Like i've said 2-3 times above; 'families fight' it's no big deal, call it a draw and learn from the past so you can 'read the room' and insult yourself once in a while because you know deep inside you deserve it, it's great for your humility. Try to 'double down' on an insult that somebody throws at you, and show them they suck at put-downs.

Back on topic:

George Carlin said an amazing thing about humanity and screwing up the earth's climate…

'the earth doesn't givashit about humans; it was here long before humans it will be here long after humans'… 'earth thinks of humans as a bad rash, and will be so happy when he's cured'. "mother nature" sends out some 'scrubbing bubbles' once in a while to de-funk like us taking a shower; sometimes it's just a light rinse, sometimes it's a silk wood scrub down. cv19 will end up being a pretty significant 'blip' in the annals of history but *nothing* compared to the plagues of yesteryear.
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Without tone and intonation It's *really* hard to judge if somebody is just busting somebody's balls as a friend teasing another friend. Good example i can't share the exact details, but one of my xo buddies sent me a super amazingly raunchy joke, so i made that his nickname on my phone so now when he calls I see 'holy shit did somebody really say that' (paraphrasing because i can't share in mixed company (or with anybody not the 'new nickname' person).

Reading the post above, It leans in Maruzo's favor and the your highness though seemingly a mean spirited jab that had no point in a letter of supposed apology; if you use sarcasm in an apology it's no apology, however, 'in M's mind', he said sorry, but in Happy's mind He just saw sarcasm and it's a lose-lose. A proper apology goes something like "yup your right i was bing a dipshit, sorry about that".

My take is that M was 'being a smartass' (always better than a dumbass), and was basically saying 'you're mama'. Kid humor just meant to get a rise out of somebody (again not appropriate in a mia culpa).

Don't try to ad humor to an apology it's a common defense mechanism but it usually negates the apology. (with the exception exampled above where the humor is self-deprocating (i can't spell that word; not even close enough to warrant a suggested replacement ).

If i say something that sounds 'super harsh' I'm 'busting your balls' If i deem somebody a worthy sparing partner, I can do the verbal beat-down like a pro. I have lines that wold make anthony jeselnik blush. Even in cases where i've cut lose a soon to be ex-friend, I'll be using facts to back my words not pointless insults.

The reason that dialog 'goes to M' is that rather than a 'wtf, that's not nice', Happy doubled down and spit back in the face of M vs. 'nice try but how bout a simple 'sorry pal no harm intended i was just being a smartass trying to be funny'.

Like i've said 2-3 times above; 'families fight' it's no big deal, call it a draw and learn from the past so you can 'read the room' and insult yourself once in a while because you know deep inside you deserve it, it's great for your humility. Try to 'double down' on an insult that somebody throws at you, and show them they suck at put-downs.

Back on topic:

George Carlin said an amazing thing about humanity and screwing up the earth's climate…

'the earth doesn't givashit about humans; it was here long before humans it will be here long after humans'… 'earth thinks of humans as a bad rash, and will be so happy when he's cured'. "mother nature" sends out some 'scrubbing bubbles' once in a while to de-funk like us taking a shower; sometimes it's just a light rinse, sometimes it's a silk wood scrub down. cv19 will end up being a pretty significant 'blip' in the annals of history but *nothing* compared to the plagues of yesteryear.
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Point taken about the apology, I'll try to remember that next time.

Although I wasn't trying to apologize on my first reply to Happy. I just wanted the conversation to steer back to cv instead of the endless bickering it was spiraling towards.

As for George Carlin, I like his stuff. Listened to most of his shows a few years back.

Most of what he said are still poignant in today's world.

The parts about the politically correct terms and how the kids are raised now a days were pretty dead-on.

The airline bit was hilarious. I remember laughing myself silly.

Good times!
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