[quote=X5rolls]Eric - let me give you one last time to understand my point.

She should not have children she can't support, so therefore she should not go down the whole get pregnant path.



It sounds like you do agree with him

Just trying to understand what you think she should have done with the embryos from 6 years ago. Should she have used them or have them discarded them? Or should she have done something else with them.

In your opinion, what would have been the "responsible" thing to do with the embryos? Sounds like you are refusing to answer that question.

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Responsibility starts before creation of embryos.

If she has a number of children already with no husband then it's irresponsible to freeze embryos.

If she can not afford children then it's irresponsible.

If she has a fixation or is obsessed with having children, then there are potential mental health issues -having children is likely irresponsible, certainly it is until the illness is cured or brought under control.


You seem to be focused on what should be done with them if she wasn't going to use them. That's hypothetical since they were used.

So what would I do with them? I'd not use them nor would I want to discard them if it wasn't necessary. I'm out of my realm here on options but I'd ask if they could remain frozen in perpetuity.

Eric,

I think you are trying to make this a discussion about right to life and when does life begin. That is not the issue she should of not gotten pregnant and it sucks that she is benefiting from her irresponsible act.

In this instance because of the noteriety of what happened, I think she'll probably get enough paid publicity to take care of the kids at least for a while. Also as mentioned has previously happened, she'll probably get lots of handouts for a while from various businesses.

I can't help but wonder though... what if she only had 3 or 4 or 5 kids in this batch? She certainly wouldn't have received this kind of attention or none at at all perhaps, and likewise she wouldn't be receiving book deals, paid appearances, free handouts, etc. But, she would still have 9 to 11 kids and clearly would not have been able to care for them all adequately/financially. I find it ironic that by having more children than she (or any single mother) could possibly care for, she will reap potentially significant $ rewards...

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I agree. But she did not do that.

When the embryos were created, she was married and had no children yet. She had trouble getting pregnant, so her and her husband used the services of a fertility clinic so that they could have kids.

The way fertility clinics work is they create a dozen or more embryos and implant them several at a time until one (or several) takes. In her case, she got pregnant the very first time, so there were leftover embryos, which of course the fertility clinic froze for possible future use, as opposed to discarding/killing them.

After having the first couple of kids, she got divorced. But since she is pro-life, she felt responsible to use up the rest of the embryos instead of having them discarded (or "killed" according to her viewpoint).

So a couple of years ago, she was implanted with some of them and managed to have quadruplets. This time she used up the remaining ones and had 8 more kids.

Now that you know the whole story, what is your opinion? Should she have had the kids or had the fertility clinic discard the remaining embryos?

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I'm just trying to point out that she did what she did because of her pro-life stance. If she had been a liberal, she would have probably had the fertility clinic throw out the remaining embryos.

She didn't have the kids in order to take advantage of the welfare system. She had them because she didn't want to kill her poor little embryos.

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See post 54

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