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Old 10-02-2021, 03:02 AM
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The CDC is a great source for expert and scientific facts about COVID 19 and variants. My go-to organizations for the facts are primarily the CDC and WHO.



Having read the entire article it clearly supports what I have been posting.
Except for the fact that 74% of those total cases were breakthrough infections of non-familial FULLY vaccinated people. Something unheard of with other approved vaccines.

If they were family members then maybe you could say it was a genetic predisposition. These vaccines are no-where near ready.
When was the last breakthrough case of smallpox, measles, mumps in the United States?

You'll notice that I included diseases that have animal reservoirs and/or are still common in many parts of the world.

As for longterm effects... Who knows?
When the manufacturer says (a few months ago) NOT recommended for under 12 years of age, but says it's "fine" for pregnant women.... Well anyone that's not a complete moron should be asking WTAF?

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Old 10-02-2021, 01:55 PM
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The key paragraph of the report you posted is the discussion paragraph which follows:

"The SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant is highly transmissible (1), and understanding determinants of transmission, including human behavior and vaccine effectiveness, is critical to developing prevention strategies. Multipronged prevention strategies are needed to reduce COVID-19–related morbidity and mortality (4).

The findings in this report are subject to at least four limitations. First, data from this report are insufficient to draw conclusions about the effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines against SARS-CoV-2, including the Delta variant, during this outbreak. As population-level vaccination coverage increases, vaccinated persons are likely to represent a larger proportion of COVID-19 cases. Second, asymptomatic breakthrough infections might be underrepresented because of detection bias. Third, demographics of cases likely reflect those of attendees at the public gatherings, as events were marketed to adult male participants; further study is underway to identify other population characteristics among cases, such as additional demographic characteristics and underlying health conditions including immunocompromising conditions.*** MA DPH, CDC, and affected jurisdictions are collaborating in this response; MA DPH is conducting additional case investigations, obtaining samples for genomic sequencing, and linking case information with laboratory data and vaccination history. Finally, Ct values obtained with SARS-CoV-2 qualitative RT-PCR diagnostic tests might provide a crude correlation to the amount of virus present in a sample and can also be affected by factors other than viral load.††† Although the assay used in this investigation was not validated to provide quantitative results, there was no significant difference between the Ct values of samples collected from breakthrough cases and the other cases. This might mean that the viral load of vaccinated and unvaccinated persons infected with SARS-CoV-2 is also similar. However, microbiological studies are required to confirm these findings.

Event organizers and local health jurisdictions should continually assess the need for additional measures, including limiting capacity at gatherings or event postponement, based on current rates of COVID-19 transmission, population vaccination coverage, and other factors.§§§ On July 27, CDC released recommendations that all persons, including those who are fully vaccinated, should wear masks in indoor public settings in areas where COVID-19 transmission is high or substantial. Findings from this investigation suggest that even jurisdictions without substantial or high COVID-19 transmission might consider expanding prevention strategies, including masking in indoor public settings regardless of vaccination status, given the potential risk of infection during attendance at large public gatherings that include travelers from many areas with differing levels of transmission".

IMO the summary of the paragraph is that the information in the report is anecdotal and further studies are underway to verify the accuracy of the findings. In short, the reported finding are interesting but have yet to be scientifically substantiated.
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"As population-level vaccination coverage increases, vaccinated persons are likely to represent a larger proportion of COVID-19 cases. Second, asymptomatic breakthrough infections might be underrepresented because of detection bias."

This means that breakthrough is more common and that just like before asymptomatic people are getting tests because they don't know

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"As population-level vaccination coverage increases, vaccinated persons are likely to represent a larger proportion of COVID-19 cases. Second, asymptomatic breakthrough infections might be underrepresented because of detection bias."

This means that breakthrough is more common and that just like before asymptomatic people are getting tests because they don't know

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Key word is likely.

Likely means the it could happen but not that it definitely will. That's because everything in this report is too small a sampling to extrapolate any broad based conclusions. It clearly states that in the discussion paragraph. Scientific studies are needed to confirm the data holds up on a broad basis. It's just a report of calculations based on insufficient data that might be worthwhile to check out with an appropriate sized sampling.

Suggest you find something else that endorses your position if it is out there. This report doesn't.
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Something unheard of with other approved vaccines.
Name one other vaccine that is being deployed into a world wide pandemic.


I’m not sure there is data around the initial deployment of the polio vaccine, but that might be the closest example.

I guess this is one of the latest ‘government is lying, I’m not an anti Vaxer- just doing research” crowds talking points: real vaccines are perfect, therefore this cannot be a real vaccine. I mean moronic, right?

The vaccines are (roughly) 95% against the original COVID. Much less against Delta. But it still prevents death and hospitalization TO A GREAT DEGREE.

Why is this so hard for stupid people? The anti-vax, right wing, anti government/patriot/personal freedom core of the resistance is being driven to violence. Add in dumb and we are in for some ugly times.
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I ran across a new tactic recently…. People are posting links to the 8 hour long FDA Vaccine review panel and claiming that “FDA themselves are saying the cvacccines kill people”

They even post times in the 8 hours when this is said

Welp, it turns out that at a public FDA panel, they are required to let anyone speak- including these vaxholes. So you have anti-fax nuts speaking at the FDA panel (quoting VAERS death nonsense)- and anti-fax disinfo then is using this to say “FDA says”.

They know full well that most antivaxers dont DO THE RESEARCH. They just stop at the top line.
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Key word is likely.



Likely means the it could happen but not that it definitely will. That's because everything in this report is too small a sampling to extrapolate any broad based conclusions. It clearly states that in the Discussion paragraph. Scientific studies are needed to confirm the data holds up on a broad basis. It's just a report of calculations based on insufficient data that might be worthwhile to check out with an appropriate sized sampling.



Suggest you find something else that endorses your position if it is out there. This report doesn't.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/23/delt...e-illness.html

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/e...367-4/fulltext

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Name one other vaccine that is being deployed into a world wide pandemic.





I’m not sure there is data around the initial deployment of the polio vaccine, but that might be the closest example.



I guess this is one of the latest ‘government is lying, I’m not an anti Vaxer- just doing research” crowds talking points: real vaccines are perfect, therefore this cannot be a real vaccine. I mean moronic, right?



The vaccines are (roughly) 95% against the original COVID. Much less against Delta. But it still prevents death and hospitalization TO A GREAT DEGREE.



Why is this so hard for stupid people? The anti-vax, right wing, anti government/patriot/personal freedom core of the resistance is being driven to violence. Add in dumb and we are in for some ugly times.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/25/s...ne-drives.html

mRNA vaccines had never in the past 20 years worked without high death rates in test subjects.

The current vaccines were completed in 9 months and therefore have ZERO long term effect studies.

The vaccines were at 1st said to be 90 odd percent effective at keeping you from catching covid19, then it was keeping you from getting symptoms, passing it on and now it's only effective for maybe 6 months.

The CDC, WHO and most other doctors are now completely dismissive of natural immunity yet before said immunization of say varicella recovered patients is contraindicated.

The only thing political about it is the same fucktards who scream "My body, my choice" for abortion (killing of a distinctly different individual) now say "Your choice is affecting others" (the vaccinated MAY get it from you!!) That kind of bullshit mixed messaging doesn't inspire the warm fuzzies, especially if you've seen or been around other things the government has done in the past.

As for people not understanding and being dumber than a bag of smashed assholes? Well I guess they just go online and type some bullshit and attribute stuff to a different political party since they have NO critical thinking skills and just parrot what they hear from whatever talking head they listen to since their IQ is generally at the "bag of hammers" level....

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Thank you for posting how the study was done. Good study! However, the study does not align with your conclusions.

The conclusion was that the effectiveness of the vaccine on COVID 19 and the Delta variant was very high rather than very low in all categories of age and severity of infection.The study matches current findings in the US. It supports that current vaccine options would control the virus and get as back to a new 'normal' if more people would get vaccinated.
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