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Old 10-28-2021, 08:15 PM
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Certainly I have strong opinions key words in about opinions---no stronger.



And the post you referenced is not an opinion. There are reliable sources that I can post for verification if you would like me to do so.


Ahh.. Ok, understood.

So quick question, are you a democrat?
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Ahh.. Ok, understood.

So quick question, are you a democrat?
I have been in the last two presidential elections. I vote for who I think is the best person for the job.

IMO the republican party is in shambles. As a result I am voting straight democratic in all elections, including for town council.

Neither am I a Trump fan. He is a chronic lier with terrible character. IMO he is a malignant narcissist.

While I don't expect you to agree. I don't paint republicans with the same brush nor are my posts in any way political. I don't uses the propaganda of any party as a basis for my conclusions.
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Old 10-28-2021, 08:58 PM
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I have been in the last two presidential elections. I vote for who I think is the best person for the job.



IMO the republican party is in shambles. As a result I am voting straight democratic in all elections, including for town council.
I see. Although I am not a republican, I am conservative by my beliefs (I am a Christian). I think the whole lot of them over in Washington are in shambles! But, who am I to judge.



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Neither am I a Trump fan. He is a chronic lier with terrible character. IMO he is a malignant narcissist.
The Bible talks about the tongue. When you have the kind of power one holds as president, I think it is wise to speak in a manner that is not offensive. Again though, I am in no position to judge others.



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While I don't expect you to agree. I don't paint republicans with the same brush nor are my posts in any way political. I don't uses the propaganda of any party as a basis for my conclusions.

Well I agree with you that, we shouldn’t judge one to be all. And, I also agree with you that the use of propaganda should not be used to draw conclusions.

Whether your posts are politically charged or not, will be determined by those that read them. Even if you think they are not, someone may.

Do I think you are radical? No, not at all.
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Old 10-29-2021, 04:50 AM
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Let's just work on these viewpoint of yours.



1. If it works we are still at the mercy of those who are unvaccinated, because they can pass on virus if they do get infected and due to lack of antibody the virus multiplies and fills his entire body so he becomes a walking virus spreader. Which means the chances of a virus clinging to a vaccinated person is now much higher than if both person are vaccinated.



It's the same concept of virus transmission between 2 person who are both masked vs one person masked while the other unmasked.



You didn't acknowledge this concept when I posted back then, don't think you're going to all of a sudden change your mind and agree to it now.



That doesn't mean the concept is false. It just means you failed to see its significance.



2. If it doesn't work, that's still just a miniscule percentage of the vaccinated that has the breakout case. Which means the vaccination as a whole worked. And your placement on the threat of a less than 1 percentage of the vaccinated without addressing the danger of the 90 millions or so who isn't.



That's just bad math and logic, imho.
Okay.

First off, if it (the vaccine) works then the unvaccinated pose no threat to those who are vaccinated.

Second if it doesn't work and as you put it it's only a minuscule amount of the vaccinated having a breakthrough then those with a breakthrough would have had their breakthrough just by being exposed to other breakthrough cases.

Lastly as for masks if you can't read what is printed on the box where it says "does not protect against viruses" then I'm not sure that you'll accept my non-CDC, non-doctor statement on why masks won't protect you.

The deaths of kids 1-17 in the USA who had no other comorbidities and so diead from covid19 only is one (1) yet the kids up to the age of 17 who have had life altering reactions to the vaccine is almost 800. So on those numbers alone should make people pretty leery. Notice that shows a definite higher risk for those least affected by catching covid19 vs. those who received the vaccine.

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I think you're being overly cautious in your attempt to not hurt other people's feelings, or fearing that you will trample upon their freedom by endorsing a strategy that you yourself believe in, that will help end this pandemic(read: reduce to the point of negligible amount that it no longer poses a risk to the general public, not using the word eradicate as I also believe it's a bit too certain bordering on being cocky).

You are that unwilling knight in King Arthur's cicle of knights, who didn't believe he's found a king worthy of his sword when he first met King Arthur.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Af-N8CLLoqU

Step up and endorse the vaccine. You took it, your whole family took it, what's so hard about singing it's praises?

Stay positive and know that there's more of us who also believe in it.

I am neither cheerleader nor evangelist. People can make up their own minds. We all have access to the data in this day and age. Each can interpret it as they see fit.

Besides that, in the off chance the vaccine does cause some unforeseen effects down the road. However unlikely... I don't want that bad jujus on my conscience. "Don't you put that evil on me Ricky Bobby!"

In Arthurian legend I feel more like I would be the blacksmith watching the privileged nights ride off in search of the Grail along with their messiah. Most of them to fail, including Arthur. I need to watch that movie from the clip, haven't seen that telling. I enjoy most myths and legends; Norse, Greek, etc.

Hah, favorite rendition of the Grail legend is from Monty Python. So good. And the below Gif is somewhat applicable to mandates, FISA courts, and citizen surveillance.

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Okay.

First off, if it (the vaccine) works then the unvaccinated pose no threat to those who are vaccinated.
The vaccine is not 100% effective and there are a few breakthrough cases. The unvaccinated pose a threat to each other. My bet is that those unvaccinated expect they wont' get COVID. The reason to get vaccinated is to protect others just as much as one's self.
Second if it doesn't work and as you put it it's only a minuscule amount of the vaccinated having a breakthrough then those with a breakthrough would have had their breakthrough just by being exposed to other breakthrough cases.
That's a reach for my imagination. Your position is that the few breakthrough cases are a rationale not to be vaccinated. And that's because after you get vaccinated one of the few breakthrough will not wear a mask, will not social distance, will not stay home to recover or quarantine and go out and infect others. IMO those odds are about the same as having BMWs falling out of the sky.

Lastly as for masks if you can't read what is printed on the box where it says "does not protect against viruses" then I'm not sure that you'll accept my non-CDC, non-doctor statement on why masks won't protect you.
N95 masks are about 85% effective. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...a%20respirator.

The deaths of kids 1-17 in the USA who had no other comorbidities and so diead from covid19 only is one (1) yet the kids up to the age of 17 who have had life altering reactions to the vaccine is almost 800. So on those numbers alone should make people pretty leery. Notice that shows a definite higher risk for those least affected by catching covid19 vs. those who received the vaccine.
https://data.cdc.gov/widgets/9bhg-hcku?mobile_redirect=true
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e1.htm
What is your source for the numbers? There are no numbers for 1-12. There has been no vaccine until very recently. Nor can I find any reliable information of 800 with life changing reactions.

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That's a reach for my imagination. Your position is that the few breakthrough cases are a rationale not to be vaccinated. And that's because after you get vaccinated one of the few breakthrough will not wear a mask, will not social distance, will not stay home to recover or quarantine and go out and infect others. IMO those odds are about the same as having BMWs falling out of the sky.
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I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion of breakthrough cases being a reason I or others would not to be vaccinated. I was replying about the risk to vaccinated folks that become assholes who believe that their vaccine doesn't work for shit so they have to be total dicks saying EVERYONE has to be vaccinated or "their" health is at risk, hence the vaccine works or it doesn't.

I have posted a consolidation website link with 91 clinical studies and if you can't look there yourself, then why would you want links separately?

I'm not defending a dissertation here so I'm not going to have an index of references posted after each comment, especially when links have been posted previously and discussed. Most of the studies are understandable to a layman or at least enough to follow the discussions in them.

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The deaths of kids 1-17 in the USA who had no other comorbidities and so diead from covid19 only is one (1) yet the kids up to the age of 17 who have had life altering reactions to the vaccine is almost 800. So on those numbers alone should make people pretty leery. Notice that shows a definite higher risk for those least affected by catching covid19 vs. those who received the vaccine.

That didn't read the way I thought it would, but....

CDC shows only 1 young child who died without any comorbidities and the other children all had comorbidities (under 18's) and the 12 to 17 group who received vaccines and had severe, life altering reactions can be found in vaers 2 of which were athletes who are now waiting on heart transplants (cross check vaers to their local news reports) and I didn't believe anyone would read my comment as though 1 year olds (under 12) had been receiving vaccines.
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The vaccine is not 100% effective and there are a few breakthrough cases. The unvaccinated pose a threat to each other. My bet is that those unvaccinated expect they wont' get COVID. The reason to get vaccinated is to protect others just as much as one's self.

My point has always been that since the survival rate is 99.3% (using infected vs. dead totaling across all age groups) that the "risk" is low when compared to a vaccine that has...

1. Failed for the past 20 years of trials.

2. Has had more reactions (severe only counted) than all previous vaccines combined since vaers was instituted.

3. There are ZERO long term studies on the effects of mRNA vaccines because as listed above ALL subjects died frombside effects or early deaths pretty much showing a shorter life span.

4. These vaccines are only provoking an immune response to the spike protein not to the entire virus like the 99.3% have after surviving covid19.

5. Chickenpox, etc. leave a almost 100% immunity for life yet now that's not good enough? By the way the flu does also but since it mutates quickly your immunity would only work for an exact unchanged strain.

I don't know what other people think about not getting vaccinated other than the above points.

I have had (besides common illnesses) pneumonia, histoplasmosis, tuberculosis, exposure to BZ, 2 knife wounds, 1 gsw, 1 frag wound, 44 rads deep dose, numerous concussions and 23 broken bones and I would be high risk yet only after I had pneumonia (week in ICU) and tested negative for covid19 did I later test positive for antibodies and never had symptom one.
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The deaths of kids 1-17 in the USA who had no other comorbidities and so diead from covid19 only is one (1) yet the kids up to the age of 17 who have had life altering reactions to the vaccine is almost 800. .



That is a lie


And if you tell me this is from VAERS, then I'll revise that to just stupid
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And if you tell me this is from VAERS, then I'll revise that to just stupid
The deaths of those with covid19 under 18 in the USA is around 800 at last count and all but one (1) had comorbidities such as leukemia, asthma, etc. so the risk of adverse reactions to the vaccine in under 18's is greater than the risk to them from covid19.

VAERS deaths and significant side effects are for vaccine problems NOT covid19 deaths which is what was being talked about in comparison for risks.

I thought that what I wrote was easily comprehensible to those with a basic education. I'll try to lower the fleischman-kincaid level to 12th grade or less in the future.

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That's a reach for my imagination. Your position is that the few breakthrough cases are a rationale not to be vaccinated. And that's because after you get vaccinated one of the few breakthrough will not wear a mask, will not social distance, will not stay home to recover or quarantine and go out and infect others. IMO those odds are about the same as having BMWs falling out of the sky.
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I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion of breakthrough cases being a reason I or others would not to be vaccinated. I was replying about the risk to vaccinated folks that become assholes who believe that their vaccine doesn't work for shit so they have to be total dicks saying EVERYONE has to be vaccinated or "their" health is at risk, hence the vaccine works or it doesn't. So for clarification what are the risks to these assholes, total dicks that only think of themselves that got the vaccine because it doesn't work for shit and now are saying everyone has to get vaccinated for their protection with the vaccine that doesn't work?

I have posted a consolidation website link with 91 clinical studies and if you can't look there yourself, then why would you want links separately? I don't even remember when you posted the link. I just thought it would be the nice of you to narrow it down from 91 studies. That's why I post my source so you don't have to look for it.

I'm not defending a dissertation here so I'm not going to have an index of references posted after each comment, especially when links have been posted previously and discussed. Most of the studies are understandable to a layman or at least enough to follow the discussions in them.
We are discussing what is fact and what is fiction and we are not experts. I don't expect anyone to automatically believe what I post. That's why I post expert references. This is not about defending anything. What number post has the link to 91 studies?
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The deaths of kids 1-17 in the USA who had no other comorbidities and so diead from covid19 only is one (1) yet the kids up to the age of 17 who have had life altering reactions to the vaccine is almost 800. So on those numbers alone should make people pretty leery. Notice that shows a definite higher risk for those least affected by catching covid19 vs. those who received the vaccine.

That didn't read the way I thought it would, but....

CDC shows only 1 young child who died without any comorbidities and the other children all had comorbidities (under 18's) and the 12 to 17 group who received vaccines and had severe, life altering reactions can be found in vaers 2 of which were athletes who are now waiting on heart transplants (cross check vaers to their local news reports) and I didn't believe anyone would read my comment as though 1 year olds (under 12) had been receiving vaccines. My mistake, certainly I should have know that you wrote 1-17 because you meant 12-17. Where is this report?
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The vaccine is not 100% effective and there are a few breakthrough cases. The unvaccinated pose a threat to each other. My bet is that those unvaccinated expect they wont' get COVID. The reason to get vaccinated is to protect others just as much as one's self.

My point has always been that since the survival rate is 99.3% (using infected vs. dead totaling across all age groups) that the "risk" is low when compared to a vaccine that has...

1. Failed for the past 20 years of trials.
FALSE , previously debunked
2. Has had more reactions (severe only counted) than all previous vaccines combined since vaers was instituted.
I think it is FALSE. Please provide source
3. There are ZERO long term studies on the effects of mRNA vaccines because as listed above ALL subjects died frombside effects or early deaths pretty much showing a shorter life span.
FALSE, previoiusly debunked
4. These vaccines are only provoking an immune response to the spike protein not to the entire virus like the 99.3% have after surviving covid19.
FALSE This is what COVID vaccines do: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...M:gen:PTN:FY21
5. Chickenpox, etc. leave a almost 100% immunity for life yet now that's not good enough? By the way the flu does also but since it mutates quickly your immunity would only work for an exact unchanged strain. I have no idea what this means or how it is applicable to people choosing not to be vaccinated

I don't know what other people think about not getting vaccinated other than the above points.

I have had (besides common illnesses) pneumonia, histoplasmosis, tuberculosis, exposure to BZ, 2 knife wounds, 1 gsw, 1 frag wound, 44 rads deep dose, numerous concussions and 23 broken bones and I would be high risk yet only after I had pneumonia (week in ICU) and tested negative for covid19 did I later test positive for antibodies and never had symptom one.
Very sorry you have had so many problems.
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