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But the vaccines have been in bodies now for 10 months. People have not been dying en masse, or having adverse affects in great numbers. Long term effects, if any, won't be known for years. I admitted, those choosing not to get vaccinated could prove to be geniuses. Everyone will have to make their own decision. All the other mandated vaccines started as long term unknowns also. Schools can spread illness immensely fast. Vaccine mandates in schools is still something I think is necessary, and has been a thing for a very long time. Parents not wanting to vaccinate have a choice of private school or homeschooling. My wife and I have made that choice going on 2 years now. It's a burden, but if concerns are that high... Parents do what they feel is best.
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"All the other mandated vaccines started as long term unknowns also."
Except that's not true. All the other vaccines had 5 to 10 years of human trials before they were added as a mandatory childhood vaccine. As for fatalities from the vaccines the number of deaths are pushing 10,000 in the United States alone. All the other vaccine deaths MMR, Meningitis, etc total around 300 deaths since the 1980's till today. I know people argue that "those aren't verified" remember that I'm only talking about deaths and a dead body is pretty easy to verify as opposed to (heart problems) after a vaccine is much more probable to have been entered into VAERS solely because someone felt a fast pulse after vaccination, but a DMF'er isn't as subjective as someone's "feelings." I would also point out that boys 15 to 25 are suffering from myocarditis (which does permanent damage) at rates over 2.4% which is orders of magnitude higher that covid19 deaths for the same age/sex group. Freedom in America is curated by flag bearers, not flag wearers. Sent from my SM-A730F using Tapatalk
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Looking at VAERS, deaths from all vaccine manufacturers are 8974. 190M Americans are now fully vaccinated. That's 0.005%, acceptable odds for me and my family. Others may come to a different conclusion as they see fit.
Myocarditis cases appear to be very low, and permanent damage resulting only ~20% of those cases. https://www.aappublications.org/news...s-rates-061021 Look, I've learned already that trying to convince someone on either side of this issue is an exercise in futility. I tend to fall down the middle, as I do on most issues. A reason can be found to support just about any position. And that's fine, I'm certainly not trying to impune your service to country or its ideals. Both my parents are military, many other family members have served, and I admire all members of the armed services. Yourself certainly included. Again, I am generally against mandates on citizens, but when it comes to schools... with the data currently present, I believe we are better off vaccinating than not. I just ask the same courtesy of not impuning my pride in being American. This country has its share of sins, the citizenship is a mixed bag, and our politicians greedy a$$holes. But I'd rather live here than anywhere else in the world.
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The Delta version is a mutation. That is what a virus does if not controlled. The spike was because Delta is more infectious, thus more unvaccinated people are getting it than 19. It has nothing to do with vaccinated people.
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The attached articles addresses the questions about COVID and the vaccines. It simple to use just click on your question. The first address the myths and facts we have been discussing. The second explains mRNA vaccines and states they are not dangerous.
Vaccinated individuals can infect others if they have been re-infected. The efficacy of the vaccines is between 90-95 %. To reach that level the J&J vaccine must include the booster shot. My statement about vaccines mandated for schools was directed to those that don't believe in mandates. The point was a mandate requiring vaccination is not new. They have been in place for several infectious diseases like Measles and Mumps for several decades. Using that as an example I don't see the problem with mandates in schools and for general public for COVID. The precedent was set many decades ago. The jury is still out if an air born detention device can detect COVID. One such machine has been around for ten years. The company has recently stated it will also detect COVID. The issue I see is that the device currently takes 3-4 days to determine the results. Not to say it can't be engineered for 'instant' detection. And then there is the cost of these devisees. The device of one company is $12,000. And thus far they are said to be 70-80 percent effective. We already have tests that are as quick or quicker that are proven methods. I can't see fast food chains or a company with the number of stores like Starbucks buying these devices for all their stores unless they were mandated unless there was a Federal reimbursement program. If the resistance to vaccination continues and there is absolutely no indication it won't, I would like to see an instant results test mandate at the door/entrance of all businesses, schools etc. A mandate for everyone, vaccinated or not so no one is singled out. I'm in favor of a mask mandate. The mask mandate should include a list of approved masks. I think it is way too late to expect those against masks, testing and vaccination to come around based on listening and explanations. Consider this discussion, I haven't heard anyone say explanations here have changed their mind. The misinformation is entrenched and many aren't going to change their position because of their political alignment regardless. https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...e/art-20484859 https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...-vaccines.html
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A vaccinated individual with an asymptomatic infection, would be a host. Just clarifying. I think that's what he meant.
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Screenshot attached of a forum member (Username removed) as an example...
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Asymptomatic means they have the virus, have been re-infected but aren't showing any symptoms.
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