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Old 07-01-2022, 09:51 AM
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U.S Supreme Court Ruling Rescinds Roe v. Wade (6-24-2022)

U.S Supreme Court Ruling Rescinds Roe v. Wade (6-24-2022)

In their unprecedented decision, the 6 Supreme Court Justices in this majority ruling are not even pretending to follow the rule of law and tossed precedent out the window, ignoring stare decisis. Never before had the U.S. Supreme Court rescinded an individual right that an earlier court has affirmed, not once, but twice, (Roe and Casey). What they have done is a shocking decision that is a very depressing and dystopian setback to the rights of Americans.

Regarding this ruling, Maureen Down succinctly stated in her 6/24/22 NY Times Op-Ed column the following:

“Over the last three decades, I have witnessed a dismal saga of opportunism, fanaticism, mendacity, concupiscence, hypocrisy and cowardice. This is a story about men gaining power by trading away something that meant little to them compared with their own stature: the rights of women……
Women’s rights had to take a back seat to Trump’s ego and ambition and McConnell’s desire for a conservative court that would pull back the reach of the government, denying protections to Americans who need or value them. They pushed through three conservative justices — one had to defend himself against sexual assault charges and one was in a weird “Handmaid’s Tale”-style extreme fundamentalist Catholic sect — and that was checkmate for Roe.”


The U.S. Supreme Court was supposedly the one institution in our tri-partite constitutional republic that was presumably intended to be non-political and devoid of all biases. That ideal is obviously no longer the case and may not have been since their Bush v. Gore ruling back in 2000. Looking back, we can now see that four of the six Justices who were in the majority overturning Roe v. Wade all had one thing in common during their Senate confirmation hearings: they lied under oath. All 4 of them said or inferred, in so many words, that “Roe v. Wade is settled law.”

In their ruling, these six justices have shown that they are intellectually lazy and really do not care about the people they serve. They work in a privileged, protected environment and insulated ivory tower. They rationalize their rulings on their personal reading and IMHO, warped historical interpretation of the U.S. Constitution. Conservatives and Republicans press the view that the U.S. Constitution should be interpreted according to what their text was originally understood to mean, often referred to as “originalism”. Liberals and Democrats tend to argue that the framers defined rights in general terms to permit future evolution in their scope and meaning by applying them in new ways in response to new societal understandings and conditions that they could not conceive of at that time.

I strongly believe that basic human rights, like the right to decide what happens to your body, should not be decided by six unelected U.S. Supreme Court Justices. What they did with this ruling is just bald-faced activism. Sadly, this court is now revealed to be a very bad and sad joke and due to their 6-person right-wing ideological majority, no one can expect to have a fair and impartial ruling from them. It is also very concerning as to what future cases they may take and rule on that would possibly reduce or curtain other rights granted by earlier court decisions.

Simply put, these Justices are purely motivated by their right-wing ideology and conservative dogmatic religion and ruled this way because they could. The arrogance and unapologetic nature of the written opinion and final ruling is truly breathtaking and clearly sums up what the US Supreme Court majority is today: religious and politically motivated zealots. This majority has proven that their suspected reputation as partisan religious hacks is completely accurate. It is not just the end of the Supreme Court as an impartial judicial referee. On this important topic, these six, unelected Justices represent the minority extreme right-wing ideology in this country and unfortunately are allowed to decide how the rest of us live. Ultimately, the result of this ruling is the total loss of trust, as well as respect for and legitimacy of the U.S. Supreme Court by the American public. How much longer will the majority of Americans tolerate this imbalance and injustice in our ever increasing polarized and divided country?

Unfortunately, I also believe that this ruling will most likely mean an accelerated hollowing out of rural backward-thinking states as young people flee the abrogation of women’s rights, and all the other trappings of religious fundamentalism, including violence towards gays, intransigent racism, anti-science education, xenophobia, etc. Yet still, those economically doomed states will wield increasingly disproportionate and extremist power because of our flawed Constitution giving them disproportionate voting power in the U.S. Senate, not based on total population.

To me, the political hypocrisy is mind boggling. Historically, conservatives say they do not want a police state, or a nanny state, or a welfare state. Yet, by overturning Roe v Wade, these six U.S. Supreme Court Justices have given us a police state and a nanny state. Physicians who care for women can and will be criminally charged if citizens in states where abortion is now illegal, decide that those physicians helped a woman to obtain an abortion that THEY think is wrong. We have a nanny state because SCOTUS has decided that women cannot be trusted to decide what is best for them, their bodies, or their families. Their competence will be supplanted by the state's decision. We will have a police state as some States will attempt to track down and prosecute women who seek and get abortions in other States. This is not true conservativism… it is intolerable fanatical authoritarianism of people imposing their religious beliefs on others.

Once again women, the poor, and children are the ones most hurt by powerful religious zealots who don't understand or care about their lives. Who are these people to decide whether a pregnancy is a gift or a curse? That is for the woman who has to bear that child and care for that child. If it was truly the desire of right-wing Republicans to value each and every child, then our foster care system would be empty, no child would be raised in poverty and we would have single-payer national health care. But that is not the case and many of the no abortion states won’t even expand Medicaid. The hypocrisy is overwhelming.

Looking down the road, these six SCOTUS Justices supposed ideological rationalized originalism of the U.S. Constitution is a means to affirm novel legal interpretations grounded in present-day right-wing grudges, as what the Constitution intended all along. It is now plausible that every time those grievances shift, the interpretations will shift with them, even as the Justices scour history anew for confirmation of ideological conclusions they would never question, even if they failed to find it. That is ultimately why no rights that Americans currently possess are safe from this Court. The core conservative belief about our country’s culture war is that there is a Real America that is conservative, and a usurper America that is liberal. This is the primary means of constitutional interpretation for the Court’s current majority, not historical research and not legal analysis. And while the justices will both pretend and insist otherwise, the public needs to recognize this fact and not believe for a second their vow that other constitutional rights are safe from being overturned and eliminated.

Now we know that the Republican Party and this current Supreme Court, is controlled by extremists who contort U.S. Constitutional law to match their extreme religious beliefs. We also now know for certain that a vote for Republicans is a vote for outlawing all abortions, even in the case of rape, or incest, at every stage of pregnancy, including the morning after pill. There is nothing defensible, or even tolerable, about the Republicans in the U.S. Congress or in state legislatures, warping of the federal and state judicial systems to impose by force, policies that they cannot achieve through votes in elections. Now that they all feel emboldened with this ruling, what other rights will they take away…?

In my opinion, nakedly partisan hacks abusing lifetime positions to tyrannize over the citizenry and undermine democracy cannot be permitted to wield power. What should be done now? These are my idealized recommendations:
- Impeach Clarence Thomas for supporting Donald Trump's insurrection.
- Impeach Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett for lying during their Senate confirmation hearings.
- Impose 9-year term limits on SCOTUS judges so every president has 4 picks and every annual SCOTUS term has a new member.
- When the Democrats have control of Congress with at least 60 votes in the Senate, expand the U.S. Supreme Court to 13 Justices. Then also create a system of cycling off two Justices each year, with cases to be assigned randomly to an ever-changing set of nine justices.
- Vote in ALL primaries and general elections! Not just all Democrats, but newly awakened Independents, Libertarians, educated suburban Republican women.
- Eliminate the arcane Electoral College.
- Add the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico as the 51st and 52nd States.
- American women must withhold sex from Republican men until they get this ruling changed.
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Women’s rights had to take a back seat to Trump’s ego and ambition.

Hah.. And Biden letting the boys play with the girls, robbing them of their dignity is obviously better, right?
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U.S Supreme Court Ruling Rescinds Roe v. Wade (6-24-2022)



In their unprecedented decision, the 6 Supreme Court Justices in this majority ruling are not even pretending to follow the rule of law and tossed precedent out the window, ignoring stare decisis. Never before had the U.S. Supreme Court rescinded an individual right that an earlier court has affirmed, not once, but twice, (Roe and Casey). What they have done is a shocking decision that is a very depressing and dystopian setback to the rights of Americans.



Regarding this ruling, Maureen Down succinctly stated in her 6/24/22 NY Times Op-Ed column the following:



“Over the last three decades, I have witnessed a dismal saga of opportunism, fanaticism, mendacity, concupiscence, hypocrisy and cowardice. This is a story about men gaining power by trading away something that meant little to them compared with their own stature: the rights of women……

Women’s rights had to take a back seat to Trump’s ego and ambition and McConnell’s desire for a conservative court that would pull back the reach of the government, denying protections to Americans who need or value them. They pushed through three conservative justices — one had to defend himself against sexual assault charges and one was in a weird “Handmaid’s Tale”-style extreme fundamentalist Catholic sect — and that was checkmate for Roe.”




The U.S. Supreme Court was supposedly the one institution in our tri-partite constitutional republic that was presumably intended to be non-political and devoid of all biases. That ideal is obviously no longer the case and may not have been since their Bush v. Gore ruling back in 2000. Looking back, we can now see that four of the six Justices who were in the majority overturning Roe v. Wade all had one thing in common during their Senate confirmation hearings: they lied under oath. All 4 of them said or inferred, in so many words, that “Roe v. Wade is settled law.”



In their ruling, these six justices have shown that they are intellectually lazy and really do not care about the people they serve. They work in a privileged, protected environment and insulated ivory tower. They rationalize their rulings on their personal reading and IMHO, warped historical interpretation of the U.S. Constitution. Conservatives and Republicans press the view that the U.S. Constitution should be interpreted according to what their text was originally understood to mean, often referred to as “originalism”. Liberals and Democrats tend to argue that the framers defined rights in general terms to permit future evolution in their scope and meaning by applying them in new ways in response to new societal understandings and conditions that they could not conceive of at that time.



I strongly believe that basic human rights, like the right to decide what happens to your body, should not be decided by six unelected U.S. Supreme Court Justices. What they did with this ruling is just bald-faced activism. Sadly, this court is now revealed to be a very bad and sad joke and due to their 6-person right-wing ideological majority, no one can expect to have a fair and impartial ruling from them. It is also very concerning as to what future cases they may take and rule on that would possibly reduce or curtain other rights granted by earlier court decisions.



Simply put, these Justices are purely motivated by their right-wing ideology and conservative dogmatic religion and ruled this way because they could. The arrogance and unapologetic nature of the written opinion and final ruling is truly breathtaking and clearly sums up what the US Supreme Court majority is today: religious and politically motivated zealots. This majority has proven that their suspected reputation as partisan religious hacks is completely accurate. It is not just the end of the Supreme Court as an impartial judicial referee. On this important topic, these six, unelected Justices represent the minority extreme right-wing ideology in this country and unfortunately are allowed to decide how the rest of us live. Ultimately, the result of this ruling is the total loss of trust, as well as respect for and legitimacy of the U.S. Supreme Court by the American public. How much longer will the majority of Americans tolerate this imbalance and injustice in our ever increasing polarized and divided country?



Unfortunately, I also believe that this ruling will most likely mean an accelerated hollowing out of rural backward-thinking states as young people flee the abrogation of women’s rights, and all the other trappings of religious fundamentalism, including violence towards gays, intransigent racism, anti-science education, xenophobia, etc. Yet still, those economically doomed states will wield increasingly disproportionate and extremist power because of our flawed Constitution giving them disproportionate voting power in the U.S. Senate, not based on total population.



To me, the political hypocrisy is mind boggling. Historically, conservatives say they do not want a police state, or a nanny state, or a welfare state. Yet, by overturning Roe v Wade, these six U.S. Supreme Court Justices have given us a police state and a nanny state. Physicians who care for women can and will be criminally charged if citizens in states where abortion is now illegal, decide that those physicians helped a woman to obtain an abortion that THEY think is wrong. We have a nanny state because SCOTUS has decided that women cannot be trusted to decide what is best for them, their bodies, or their families. Their competence will be supplanted by the state's decision. We will have a police state as some States will attempt to track down and prosecute women who seek and get abortions in other States. This is not true conservativism… it is intolerable fanatical authoritarianism of people imposing their religious beliefs on others.



Once again women, the poor, and children are the ones most hurt by powerful religious zealots who don't understand or care about their lives. Who are these people to decide whether a pregnancy is a gift or a curse? That is for the woman who has to bear that child and care for that child. If it was truly the desire of right-wing Republicans to value each and every child, then our foster care system would be empty, no child would be raised in poverty and we would have single-payer national health care. But that is not the case and many of the no abortion states won’t even expand Medicaid. The hypocrisy is overwhelming.



Looking down the road, these six SCOTUS Justices supposed ideological rationalized originalism of the U.S. Constitution is a means to affirm novel legal interpretations grounded in present-day right-wing grudges, as what the Constitution intended all along. It is now plausible that every time those grievances shift, the interpretations will shift with them, even as the Justices scour history anew for confirmation of ideological conclusions they would never question, even if they failed to find it. That is ultimately why no rights that Americans currently possess are safe from this Court. The core conservative belief about our country’s culture war is that there is a Real America that is conservative, and a usurper America that is liberal. This is the primary means of constitutional interpretation for the Court’s current majority, not historical research and not legal analysis. And while the justices will both pretend and insist otherwise, the public needs to recognize this fact and not believe for a second their vow that other constitutional rights are safe from being overturned and eliminated.



Now we know that the Republican Party and this current Supreme Court, is controlled by extremists who contort U.S. Constitutional law to match their extreme religious beliefs. We also now know for certain that a vote for Republicans is a vote for outlawing all abortions, even in the case of rape, or incest, at every stage of pregnancy, including the morning after pill. There is nothing defensible, or even tolerable, about the Republicans in the U.S. Congress or in state legislatures, warping of the federal and state judicial systems to impose by force, policies that they cannot achieve through votes in elections. Now that they all feel emboldened with this ruling, what other rights will they take away…?



In my opinion, nakedly partisan hacks abusing lifetime positions to tyrannize over the citizenry and undermine democracy cannot be permitted to wield power. What should be done now? These are my idealized recommendations:

-Impeach Clarence Thomas for supporting Donald Trump's insurrection.

-Impeach Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett for lying during their Senate confirmation hearings.

-Impose 9-year term limits on SCOTUS judges so every president has 4 picks and every annual SCOTUS term has a new member.

-When the Democrats have control of Congress with at least 60 votes in the Senate, expand the U.S. Supreme Court to 13 Justices. Then also create a system of cycling off two Justices each year, with cases to be assigned randomly to an ever-changing set of nine justices.

-Vote in ALL primaries and general elections! Not just all Democrats, but newly awakened Independents, Libertarians, educated suburban Republican women.

-Eliminate the arcane Electoral College.

-Add the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico as the 51st and 52nd States.

-American women must withhold sex from Republican men until they get this ruling changed.
I see someone who....

1. Doesn't understand how the Constitution works.

2. Thinks that packing the SCOTUS, so that his side won't be bothered by a coequal branch of government using the checks and balances as required under the Constitution is a great way to preserve our Republic.

3. Doesn't understand that if we go with following precedent only will mean slavery, not allowing women to vote, etc. are the "forever" ruling under their plan. (Dred Scott)

4. Hasn't read the Constitution or can't understand that the 10th amendment means each state gets to be their own decider via actual votes instead of having rules and regulations passed down from on high.

5. Admits through their statements that it's a individuals body and her choice because of that, yet somehow thinks it's perfectly acceptable to kill someone who has different DNA (AKA distinct individual) solely because they're inside her from her own actions.

6. Thinks that the political party that wanted Roe overturned are the same people who get abortions and that by withholding sex will force a change.

PS. If these women going out and getting abortions (63 million dead babies so far) would learn to use contraceptives they could still be the town bicycle without getting pregnant.

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U.S Supreme Court Ruling Rescinds Roe v. Wade (6-24-2022)

In their unprecedented decision, the 6 Supreme Court Justices in this majority ruling are not even pretending to follow the rule of law and tossed precedent out the window, ignoring stare decisis. Never before had the U.S. Supreme Court rescinded an individual right that an earlier court has affirmed, not once, but twice, (Roe and Casey). What they have done is a shocking decision that is a very depressing and dystopian setback to the rights of Americans.

Regarding this ruling, Maureen Down succinctly stated in her 6/24/22 NY Times Op-Ed column the following:

“Over the last three decades, I have witnessed a dismal saga of opportunism, fanaticism, mendacity, concupiscence, hypocrisy and cowardice. This is a story about men gaining power by trading away something that meant little to them compared with their own stature: the rights of women……
Women’s rights had to take a back seat to Trump’s ego and ambition and McConnell’s desire for a conservative court that would pull back the reach of the government, denying protections to Americans who need or value them. They pushed through three conservative justices — one had to defend himself against sexual assault charges and one was in a weird “Handmaid’s Tale”-style extreme fundamentalist Catholic sect — and that was checkmate for Roe.”


The U.S. Supreme Court was supposedly the one institution in our tri-partite constitutional republic that was presumably intended to be non-political and devoid of all biases. That ideal is obviously no longer the case and may not have been since their Bush v. Gore ruling back in 2000. Looking back, we can now see that four of the six Justices who were in the majority overturning Roe v. Wade all had one thing in common during their Senate confirmation hearings: they lied under oath. All 4 of them said or inferred, in so many words, that “Roe v. Wade is settled law.”

In their ruling, these six justices have shown that they are intellectually lazy and really do not care about the people they serve. They work in a privileged, protected environment and insulated ivory tower. They rationalize their rulings on their personal reading and IMHO, warped historical interpretation of the U.S. Constitution. Conservatives and Republicans press the view that the U.S. Constitution should be interpreted according to what their text was originally understood to mean, often referred to as “originalism”. Liberals and Democrats tend to argue that the framers defined rights in general terms to permit future evolution in their scope and meaning by applying them in new ways in response to new societal understandings and conditions that they could not conceive of at that time.

I strongly believe that basic human rights, like the right to decide what happens to your body, should not be decided by six unelected U.S. Supreme Court Justices. What they did with this ruling is just bald-faced activism. Sadly, this court is now revealed to be a very bad and sad joke and due to their 6-person right-wing ideological majority, no one can expect to have a fair and impartial ruling from them. It is also very concerning as to what future cases they may take and rule on that would possibly reduce or curtain other rights granted by earlier court decisions.

Simply put, these Justices are purely motivated by their right-wing ideology and conservative dogmatic religion and ruled this way because they could. The arrogance and unapologetic nature of the written opinion and final ruling is truly breathtaking and clearly sums up what the US Supreme Court majority is today: religious and politically motivated zealots. This majority has proven that their suspected reputation as partisan religious hacks is completely accurate. It is not just the end of the Supreme Court as an impartial judicial referee. On this important topic, these six, unelected Justices represent the minority extreme right-wing ideology in this country and unfortunately are allowed to decide how the rest of us live. Ultimately, the result of this ruling is the total loss of trust, as well as respect for and legitimacy of the U.S. Supreme Court by the American public. How much longer will the majority of Americans tolerate this imbalance and injustice in our ever increasing polarized and divided country?

Unfortunately, I also believe that this ruling will most likely mean an accelerated hollowing out of rural backward-thinking states as young people flee the abrogation of women’s rights, and all the other trappings of religious fundamentalism, including violence towards gays, intransigent racism, anti-science education, xenophobia, etc. Yet still, those economically doomed states will wield increasingly disproportionate and extremist power because of our flawed Constitution giving them disproportionate voting power in the U.S. Senate, not based on total population.

To me, the political hypocrisy is mind boggling. Historically, conservatives say they do not want a police state, or a nanny state, or a welfare state. Yet, by overturning Roe v Wade, these six U.S. Supreme Court Justices have given us a police state and a nanny state. Physicians who care for women can and will be criminally charged if citizens in states where abortion is now illegal, decide that those physicians helped a woman to obtain an abortion that THEY think is wrong. We have a nanny state because SCOTUS has decided that women cannot be trusted to decide what is best for them, their bodies, or their families. Their competence will be supplanted by the state's decision. We will have a police state as some States will attempt to track down and prosecute women who seek and get abortions in other States. This is not true conservativism… it is intolerable fanatical authoritarianism of people imposing their religious beliefs on others.

Once again women, the poor, and children are the ones most hurt by powerful religious zealots who don't understand or care about their lives. Who are these people to decide whether a pregnancy is a gift or a curse? That is for the woman who has to bear that child and care for that child. If it was truly the desire of right-wing Republicans to value each and every child, then our foster care system would be empty, no child would be raised in poverty and we would have single-payer national health care. But that is not the case and many of the no abortion states won’t even expand Medicaid. The hypocrisy is overwhelming.

Looking down the road, these six SCOTUS Justices supposed ideological rationalized originalism of the U.S. Constitution is a means to affirm novel legal interpretations grounded in present-day right-wing grudges, as what the Constitution intended all along. It is now plausible that every time those grievances shift, the interpretations will shift with them, even as the Justices scour history anew for confirmation of ideological conclusions they would never question, even if they failed to find it. That is ultimately why no rights that Americans currently possess are safe from this Court. The core conservative belief about our country’s culture war is that there is a Real America that is conservative, and a usurper America that is liberal. This is the primary means of constitutional interpretation for the Court’s current majority, not historical research and not legal analysis. And while the justices will both pretend and insist otherwise, the public needs to recognize this fact and not believe for a second their vow that other constitutional rights are safe from being overturned and eliminated.

Now we know that the Republican Party and this current Supreme Court, is controlled by extremists who contort U.S. Constitutional law to match their extreme religious beliefs. We also now know for certain that a vote for Republicans is a vote for outlawing all abortions, even in the case of rape, or incest, at every stage of pregnancy, including the morning after pill. There is nothing defensible, or even tolerable, about the Republicans in the U.S. Congress or in state legislatures, warping of the federal and state judicial systems to impose by force, policies that they cannot achieve through votes in elections. Now that they all feel emboldened with this ruling, what other rights will they take away…?

In my opinion, nakedly partisan hacks abusing lifetime positions to tyrannize over the citizenry and undermine democracy cannot be permitted to wield power. What should be done now? These are my idealized recommendations:
- Impeach Clarence Thomas for supporting Donald Trump's insurrection.
- Impeach Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett for lying during their Senate confirmation hearings.
- Impose 9-year term limits on SCOTUS judges so every president has 4 picks and every annual SCOTUS term has a new member.
- When the Democrats have control of Congress with at least 60 votes in the Senate, expand the U.S. Supreme Court to 13 Justices. Then also create a system of cycling off two Justices each year, with cases to be assigned randomly to an ever-changing set of nine justices.
- Vote in ALL primaries and general elections! Not just all Democrats, but newly awakened Independents, Libertarians, educated suburban Republican women.
- Eliminate the arcane Electoral College.
- Add the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico as the 51st and 52nd States.
- American women must withhold sex from Republican men until they get this ruling changed.
I agree with all your recommendations. And Republican women withholding sex would be very effective and turn this around very quickly, great idea!

I also think there should be term limits for the members of the house and Senate.
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I agree with all your recommendations. And Republican women withholding sex would be very effective and turn this around very quickly, great idea!

Ahh.. It all makes sense now! You are a devout and proud leftist..
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It was humor with a great underling message to me. I didn't think I needed to add a laughing emoji.
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EODguy:

None of your 1-6 points makes any sense.....

I am fully aware that there are people in this country who will disagree with my statement of both facts and opinion in my original post here. I do respect those who present valid contrary points, yet am bemused that you fail to even attempt to dispute my key points.....

Clearly, our system of government has obvious flaws and failings.

I have already explained the failing of this incarnation of the U.S. Supreme Court.

Congress has become a roadblock for any legislation that attempts to make life better for the majority of Americans. Its members, both in the Senate and House are more concerned about pleasing their true financial benefactors, the lobbyiests who represent the major industries in our country, not the constitutents who voted them into office. They are only interested in perpetuation a facade of public service while reaping all the rediculous perks for them and their families, (i.e. healtcare for life, etc.).

I agree with others who have recommended the ideal of imposing term limits to all member of Congress and the U.S. Supreme Court. I would even suggest that the POTUS be only able to serve one (1) 6-year term in office with no ability to ever run for that office again. It would save much time and effort and money and allow that person to focus on the challenging job for their entire term.

While I am not directing this to you....ultimately, it is unfortunate, but it is my opinion that it is pointless attempting to have a civil discussion or even a debate with some people in this forum who are unable to clearly articulate one or more valid points, or stoop to beligerent and unfounded personal accusations.... But alas, that is the sad reality of what most social media has devolved into and Xoutpost is not imune to it....
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None of your 1-6 points makes any sense.....

I am fully aware that there are people in this country who will disagree with my statement of both facts and opinion in my original post here. I do respect those who present valid contrary points, yet am bemused that you fail to even attempt to dispute my key points.....

Clearly, our system of government has obvious flaws and failings.

I have already explained the failing of this incarnation of the U.S. Supreme Court.

Congress has become a roadblock for any legislation that attempts to make life better for the majority of Americans. Its members, both in the Senate and House are more concerned about pleasing their true financial benefactors, the lobbyiests who represent the major industries in our country, not the constitutents who voted them into office. They are only interested in perpetuation a facade of public service while reaping all the rediculous perks for them and their families, (i.e. healtcare for life, etc.).

I agree with others who have recommended the ideal of imposing term limits to all member of Congress and the U.S. Supreme Court. I would even suggest that the POTUS be only able to serve one (1) 6-year term in office with no ability to ever run for that office again. It would save much time and effort and money and allow that person to focus on the challenging job for their entire term.

While I am not directing this to you....ultimately, it is unfortunate, but it is my opinion that it is pointless attempting to have a civil discussion or even a debate with some people in this forum who are unable to clearly articulate one or more valid points, or stoop to beligerent and unfounded personal accusations.... But alas, that is the sad reality of what most social media has devolved into and Xoutpost is not imune to it....
Though with the list of those that want to run for president I would have a hard time with six years of a Trump clone. Suppose Ted Cruz or Jim Jorden was elected president. If the term went to one six year term I would like to see more qualifications required to run for President. I see your point of leadership continuity but based on the dysfunctional operation of the government to get anything done both the house and senate would have to be of the same party. Bipartisan voting is almost instinct. I listen to many congressional so called debates. More often than most of the time is spent slamming the other party rather than any attempt to get something done.
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It was humor with a great underling message to me. I didn't think I needed to add a laughing emoji.

This thread is actually very crude.

The post is just short of out right stating that Christians, and republicans should cease to exist. And that somehow, this is the solution to a particular parties problems.

The sex joke insinuates that, canceling a generation of republican’s children, will also somehow solve this parties problems as well.

Christians have existed for thousands of years, long before the democratic party was founded. And we will continue to Live long past its dissolution.

It very obvious that the op has zero biblical knowledge. Because if he or she had any, they would know how many parties have tried and failed to destroy us.

This infantile country is like a toddler throwing a tantrum when it doesn’t get its way. The unfortunate thing is, there are parties that will continue the tantrums until she’s out breath. No breath, no life.

Many empires have fallen over the past 6 thousand years of human history. But, none of this is new to a true Christian. We’re still here, hated, but alive. The amazing thing though, we’re taught that Our Lord And Savior, The Christ Yeshua was hated first, therefore there is no need to carry that burden. So as the kids say, “haters are going to always hate”!

The Christ himself said, “Give to Cesar what is Cesar’s”. There is no religious or political party for a True Christian.

I get the notion from this post, and the recent public grumbling, that soon there will be a push to cancel the Christians.

It is definitely not the first attempt, there have in fact been many attempts. The fact that even just one Christian exists, proves that Yeshua’s presence is very real! There are billions of Christians today, and it seems the more they try to destroy the body, the larger the body becomes. Simply amazing!

Religion is a farce, The Christ is a Force, not a religion! The Father, Son, and Spirit cannot be canceled. There will be attacks on the body, but this is nothing new.
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I listen to many congressional so called debates. More often than most of the time is spent slamming the other party rather than any attempt to get something done.

The op has exhibited this behavior.
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