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Purplefade 04-10-2019 08:01 PM

Time for valve stem seals... 2005, 4.4i, 113,000 miles
 
Hi guys, being a do it yourselfer, I think it is time for me to tackle the dreaded valve stem seal replacement job on my 4.4i.

Iím definitely open to suggestions but at 113k miles and smoking like a mosquito fogger after idling for even a few minutes (nice big plume of white smoke) I think itís time to bite the bullet.

I have replaced all of the CCV components, bumped my oil to 10w40 synthetic and still smoking after any kind of ďminorĒ idle time.

Strange thing is that it came on quick, like one day I didnít notice it and the next day POW, smoke, and it only seems to be getting worse.

No loss of power, no rough idle, no codes, nothing but smoke and sticky tail pipes.

Thoughts?

PropellerHead 04-10-2019 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Purplefade (Post 1159648)
Thoughts?

I can only offer condolences and this bit of encouragement:

I *swear* on all that is holy replacing the seals made the thing faster. ;) Even though I replaced mine proactively, it was a HUGE relief to be done with it. I mean, *maybe* it was because I knew I could hammer the gas without fear of first response. But maybe what everyone says about these things is true:

They don't really start to run right until about 115k anyway. :cool:

Purplefade 04-10-2019 10:38 PM

Time for valve stem seals... 2005, 4.4i, 113,000 miles
 
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Originally Posted by PropellerHead (Post 1159653)
I mean, *maybe* it was because I knew I could hammer the gas without fear of first response. But maybe what everyone says about these things is true:



They don't really start to run right until about 115k anyway. [emoji41]



That is too funny!! I completely feel that way - crap... Iím ďthat guyĒ pulling away from the traffic light with the mosquito fogger... LoL...

In all seriousness, thanks Prop, I appreciate the encouraging words and hope to have this thing for many more miles to come 🤞🤞

andrewwynn 04-11-2019 01:17 AM

most of the fear is in the un-knowing. It's a bit scary diving into a motor the first time fairly deep, but i've done timing chains on a couple M62 now and swapped a couple heads at the same time, did most of the job solo with step-by-step online. Take your time and when something goes wrong as inevitably happens, stop and take a step back, make a post with photos and somebody will be around to give a hand.

X5only 04-11-2019 02:00 AM

You're in luck:D

A couple of months ago I fixed this very issue on my 2005 4.4 with 140k miles, so every little detail is still fresh in my mind. Here's the thread that I added my experience to: https://xoutpost.com/bmw-sav-forums/...-seals-12.html Go through it - lots of info in there.

Please have no fear:thumbup: But I understand coz I had the same thing - fear of the unknown as already pointed out. YOU CAN DO IT! To put things in perspective, I'm just an avid DIY'er and a software engineer by training, who happens to just like wrenching in my garage on my back, as a way of relaxing after being all day in the digital world gymastics:D

If you decide to pull the trigger, let me know. I still have every single tool you'll ever need for this task, and you can borrow them - serious.:thumbup:

Purplefade 04-11-2019 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by andrewwynn (Post 1159660)
Take your time and when something goes wrong as inevitably happens, stop and take a step back, make a post with photos and somebody will be around to give a hand.



Thanks AW! That is sound advice for sure, Iím a Ford V8 guy, LOTS of experience under the hood of my Mustangs but this Vanos infused, variable valve timed beast I havenít really dug into the insides of yet.... that said, I feel good about doing the job and will definitely lean on you guys when I get stuck [emoji106]

Purplefade 04-11-2019 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by X5only (Post 1159662)
You're in luck:D



A couple of months ago I fixed this very issue on my 2005 4.4 with 140k miles, so every little detail is still fresh in my mind. Here's the thread that I added my experience to: https://xoutpost.com/bmw-sav-forums/...-seals-12.html Go through it - lots of info in there.



Please have no fear:thumbup: But I understand coz I had the same thing - fear of the unknown as already pointed out. YOU CAN DO IT! To put things in perspective, I'm just an avid DIY'er and a software engineer by training, who happens to just like wrenching in my garage on my back, as a way of relaxing after being all day in the digital world gymastics:D



If you decide to pull the trigger, let me know. I still have every single tool you'll ever need for this task, and you can borrow them - serious.:thumbup:



X5only, brother, I could hug you right now!í [emoji12]

Putting some lower control arms on my wifeís Buick now, but as soon as I have those knocked out I am going to burn your post into my memory about 10 times before I jump on pulling those valve covers and actually looking in to the belly of the beast.

With regard to the tools - THAT IS AWESOME!! I was slightly bummed to have to spring for the AGA Tool but being all but required to do this job... Let me get through your how to post and Iíll PM you aside to talk more about the tooling [emoji106]

Dare I say - I love you guys 🤣

SlickGT1 04-11-2019 08:21 AM

Yea don’t stress. I have been soft preparing for this for a year now. I get the smoke after long idle. Like a car wash.

I say use the bungie chord in the spark plug hole instead of air pressure. Take your time, and make something so that you can lay over the engine. I plan on making something out of wood that will span fender to fender. Other than that, I have no first hand experience, yet. Lol.

Purplefade 04-11-2019 08:37 AM

Time for valve stem seals... 2005, 4.4i, 113,000 miles
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SlickGT1 (Post 1159676)
Yea donít stress. I have been soft preparing for this for a year now. I get the smoke after long idle. Like a car wash.

I say use the bungie chord in the spark plug hole instead of air pressure. Take your time, and make something so that you can lay over the engine. I plan on making something out of wood that will span fender to fender. Other than that, I have no first hand experience, yet. Lol.



Thatís too funny, to avoid that I kept blipping the throttle as I rolled through the car wash yesterday... I felt bad for the poor guy behind me if I let it load up and then mosquito fogged him as I dropped it in gear to pull out of the dryers...

I read about using a bungle cord as well, seems significantly ďsaferĒ than using air as long as you use the rubberized ones that wonít leave ďfuzziesĒ in the plug threads as you pull it out.

And I really like the idea of building myself a small shelf type unit to lay across the fenders! Good call, Iíll snap a pic of anything I might throw together and let you know how it works out.

Iím sourcing and ordering parts now so it will probably be a week or two before the actual tear down and dig in, will keep you posted [emoji106]

SlickGT1 04-11-2019 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Purplefade (Post 1159678)
Thatís too funny, to avoid that I kept blipping the throttle as I rolled through the car wash yesterday... I felt bad for the poor guy behind me if I let it load up and then mosquito fogged him as I dropped it in gear to pull out of the dryers...

I read about using a bungle cord as well, seems significantly ďsaferĒ than using air as long as you use the rubberized ones that wonít leave ďfuzziesĒ in the plug threads as you pull it out.

And I really like the idea of building myself a small shelf type unit to lay across the fenders! Good call, Iíll snap a pic of anything I might throw together and let you know how it works out.

Iím sourcing and ordering parts now so it will probably be a week or two before the actual tear down and dig in, will keep you posted [emoji106]

Yea keep us posted.

I have a seat cushion from an old chair.

Use soft pine, the shit they use for 2x4 walls, as the wood to sit in the fender lip. I would also pad the wood with some thing. Leather, wool, something to compensate for contour. Then 2, 2x4 on edge across the engine. Then screw seat to where I need it as I go between the on edge 2x4s. Hope that explains it. Figure make it lay somewhere in the front of engine bay as you will only really need it to work on the back.

twinspool 04-11-2019 02:11 PM

subscribing.. I am a lil over 130K on my 4.8is and just the other day noticed white smoke sitting in traffic.. my stomach sank to my feet.. lol

Purplefade 04-11-2019 02:51 PM

Amen to that, that sinking feeling stinks! You start creeping toward 100k and you know itís coming... but youíre still never really ready to do them.

crystalworks 04-11-2019 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Purplefade (Post 1159726)
Amen to that, that sinking feeling stinks! You start creeping toward 100k and you know itís coming... but youíre still never really ready to do them.

Amen. I've been putting parts together for a long time. Last piece of the puzzle is the Xover pipe. Can't decide between pulling the timing covers and doing an OEM style pipe (with updated seal) or doing one of the expandable type pipes. Pulling the covers adds 10x the work (including pulling the front axles from what I have read) but is the way I'm leaning... because why do things the easy way? :confused:

Good luck with yours. I'll be following. Until then I'll keep dumping the "secret sauce" into the crank case to stave away the 007 smokescreen on extended idle.

X5only 04-11-2019 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by twinspool (Post 1159722)
subscribing.. I am a lil over 130K on my 4.8is and just the other day noticed white smoke sitting in traffic.. my stomach sank to my feet.. lol

Did you also have the sinking feeling in the pit of your wallet? Ö.:D

SlickGT1 04-11-2019 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by X5only (Post 1159747)
Did you also have the sinking feeling in the pit of your wallet? Ö.:D

We all do. I plan on tackling it myself if no one pops out and does it for like $1k tops. Other than that, not really worth it to not try and DIY.

Purplefade 04-11-2019 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SlickGT1 (Post 1159772)
We all do. I plan on tackling it myself if no one pops out and does it for like $1k tops. Other than that, not really worth it to not try and DIY.



Thatís exactly where Iím at. Iíve been wrenching on this thing since I bought it so I figure why stop now.. not to mention I have a handful of other things I want to tackle while Iím under the hood anyway.

X5only 04-11-2019 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SlickGT1 (Post 1159772)
We all do. I plan on tackling it myself if no one pops out and does it for like $1k tops. Other than that, not really worth it to not try and DIY.

It's not a tough job really. If you're comfortable tackling the valve cover gaskets, valve stem seals replacement is very much within your skill level. It's just time consuming and requires super extra care. One must not have time pressure when tackling the project. I strongly advice against renting the tools. You'll be under so much pressure to be done and that's just the right formulae for serious errors. I did rent from Tonys Aga N62 Tool Rental service and lost $500 since I wasn't done when return date was due. I then bought my own tools (including the timing tools!) for around the same amount (duh!) and took my sweet time to carefully and slowly complete the project - about 3 hours a day in the evenings after work and 6 hours a day on weekends whenever the lady of house allowed. Took me about 2.5 months. Only rent if you can dedicate at least 10 hours a day for 2 weeks. Imagine if you had to re-open the engine if things were not right upon reassembly and a test drive. You have to provide time for that too.

Good luck!

Purplefade 04-12-2019 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by crystalworks (Post 1159741)
Amen. I've been putting parts together for a long time. Last piece of the puzzle is the Xover pipe. Can't decide between pulling the timing covers and doing an OEM style pipe (with updated seal) or doing one of the expandable type pipes. Pulling the covers adds 10x the work (including pulling the front axles from what I have read) but is the way I'm leaning... because why do things the easy way? :confused:

Good luck with yours. I'll be following. Until then I'll keep dumping the "secret sauce" into the crank case to stave away the 007 smokescreen on extended idle.


"because why do things the easy way? :confused:" - Ain't that the truth!


"secret sauce" - Oh lordie, share with a brother :excited:, I'm keeping an eye on the oil level but still (embarrassedly) driving the smoker... I did bump to 10w40 and tried Restore, seemed to work for a little while... maybe a year and then was back just like that!)






I feel like I try to be as preventative as I can for the most part, not throw money at it per say but when my water pump died I did the entire cooling system refresh and two new belts, or my bushings crapped and I found a little bit of play in 1 lower arm, I did the entire front suspension, etc..



(I did take a shortcut with my water pump job in repairing the xover pipe, I had no visible, or other, indication that I had any issue with the xover pipe so I just did a lot of sanding to keep the fit as tight as possible and did an aluminum stint pipe. Not sure good or bad idea, but so far no issues.)


Trying to plan for the future since I figure I'll recover my investment by keeping the truck and not having to do "that" job again for a long time. So when something does pop up on me I try to be as complete as I should be.


That said, while I have this apart, what do I just clean up and make sure is ok vs just replace or fix while I'm this close to it now??


Just found this list:
Throttle body O-ring p/n 13547510433 (x1)
Right upper timing case seal p/n 11147506424 (x1)
Left upper timing case seal p/n 11147506425 (x1)
Solenoid big O-ring p/n 11367513222 (x4)
Solenoid small O-ring p/n 11367546379 (x4)
Vacuum pump O-ring p/n 11667509080 (x1)
Valve cover seal right p/n 11127513194 (x1)
Valve cover seal left p/n 11127513195 (x1)
Repair kit valve stem seal p/n 11340029751 (x2)
Eccentric shaft sensor seal p/n 11127518420 (x2)
Camshaft positioning sensor O-ring p/n 12141748398 (x4)
Valvetronic O-ring p/n 07119903596 (x2)
Optional:
Valvetronic spacer torx bolt p/n07129900465 (x2)


And any opinions on Corteco, Elring, OE or other stem seals and components?

Purplefade 04-12-2019 11:37 PM

Oh and while I am thinking of it, I am going to do my upper timing cover gaskets, should have done them with my water pump and vanos... but I didn't :dunno:


Is it my understanding that the N62s don't really have an issue with the timing chain guides?? Or am I confused??

SlickGT1 04-13-2019 12:29 AM

Timing chain issue was m62. N62 pretty reliable on that front.

Purplefade 04-13-2019 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by SlickGT1 (Post 1159865)
Timing chain issue was m62. N62 pretty reliable on that front.


I read that, I was sure that I had read N62 issues as well but when I looked more tonight.. I figured I had just gone crazy, I couldn't find anything.



So then if I have no issues at this point, leave the guides, tensioners and chains alone then it sounds like?

crystalworks 04-13-2019 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Purplefade (Post 1159863)
"secret sauce" - Oh lordie, share with a brother :excited:, I'm keeping an eye on the oil level but still (embarrassedly) driving the smoker... I did bump to 10w40 and tried Restore, seemed to work for a little while... maybe a year and then was back just like that!)

I feel like I try to be as preventative as I can for the most part, not throw money at it per say but when my water pump died I did the entire cooling system refresh and two new belts, or my bushings crapped and I found a little bit of play in 1 lower arm, I did the entire front suspension, etc..

Secret sauce = lubrimoly 10w50 + Lucas oil treatment + at205 re seal at oil changes. Never need to add oil between changes... So far. It's a band aid for sure but I couldn't drive a smoker.

I'm like you with maintenance. If one part of the suspension fails, it all gets done. Belt makes a nose? Both get replaced plus the tensioners and idler pulley. It's kept me from ever being stranded in one of my ~ 20 BMW's. So far... 😉

X5only 04-14-2019 06:25 PM

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This repair is still fresh in my mind. A few tips:

o Remove the hood, otherwise you simply will not have sufficient working space to access the rear cylinders close to the firewall.

https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/e...nt-lid/CHs8E9b

o An endoscope camera will save you hours upon hours of aggravation and can make the difference between success and failure.

o The BMW N62 N73 Valvetronic Spring Tension Tool will also save you hours of frustrations if the spring comes off the intermediate levers.

The second picture shows what the "operation theatre" would look like. You won't need anything thing to lay on as you simply don't want to as it comes in the way and therefore would be impracticable.

And here're the notes I gathered for myself while tackling this procedure, by no means a DIY instructions by a pro, just tidbits I gathered while researching the project before tackling it. Use at your own risk, I'm not an authority on these matters, I'm not even a mechanic, just a DIY'er.

When using the bungee cord trick:

1. It helps to first Read up on the workings of an internal combustion engine. This helps in understanding why the valves need to be brought to cylinder compression stroke Top-Dead-Centre (TDC) Ė both intake and exhaust valves are closed at this point - by rotating the engine clockwise and why we need a bungee cord or some other way (compressed air) to keep valves staying closed and from dropping down into the combustion chamber when theyíre disconnected from the spring.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-stroke_engine

2. The bungee cord trick: You feed the cord into a cylinder (through a spark plug hole,) turn the crankshaft by hand to raise the piston up, compressing the rope against the top of the cylinder. This keeps the valve(s) held up so you can remove the keepers for seal replacement without having to remove the head to do minor valve repairs. A contributor says given the choice between using the leak down tester vs. cord, the cord would be taken. He would use the vacuum hose since worked perfectly- a vacuum hose is much easier to push down the spark plug hole than a bungee cord. Applying a thin coating of oil on it prevents the rubber from sticking to itself. Don't let the hose touch the ground you'll be feeding dirt in the motor, keep the hose in a plastic grocery bag and just fed it in each time from that. Using a hose/bungee cord will keep the valves closed so you can take the springs out. The combustion chamber will be filled with cord/hose. In this way cord/hose offers reassurance that the valve wonít drop Ė the valves are fully supported with no chance to drop down!

3.The bungee cord trick:- Turn the engine clockwise until the cylinder you're going to work on is just past B.D.C - botton dead centre- and it's on its way back up - use the red flag to indicate how far up or down the piston is. If the piston's close to TDC you will use much less rope than if the pistons down in the bore. Put the piston to TDC so that you donít need much rope to keep the valve from going anywhere. So first use the red flag to feel for the piston. Then with the piston close, just feed in the cord then turn the engine gently so the piston goes up the rest of the way. Leave plenty hanging out of the plug hole. You shouldn't have to stuff much in there either unless you are trying to fill the cylinder up with rope with it on bottom dead center. Feed in the rope through the spark plug hole. Leave enough dangling out so you can pull it out again afterwards and in case it drops further in while turning the engine. Continue turning the crank slowly until you can feel resistance as the piston squashes the rope near the top of the cylinder. After you're done with seal replacement, turn the engine backwards (anti-clockwise) a little, keeping an eye on the rope end - you don't want it disappearing down the spark plug hole. Again, just remember to roll the engine a little the opposite way to release the cord when you're done. Now pull the cord out of the cylinder you're working on. Repeat until you're done with each cylinder.

4. ALWAYS check timing! Perform timing verification before buttoning up.

5. Turn engine 4 times before buttoning up. Important- rotating the engine must be done after removing spark plugs from both banks, i.e. left and right side of the engine.

6. A contributor was able to do all 32 valves without using the keeper tool. He used a long, thin, flat head screwdriver (12" long or longer) and using a blob of grease on the tip of the blade of the screwdriver to hold the keepers in the right orientation. Make sure you also put a blob of grease around the valve stem too. Make sure you wipe off the engine oil so the grease isn't runny and mixed with the oil so as you carefully bring in the screwdriver with the keeper on it, the grease on the valve stem will suck in the keeper. Note the way you bring in the first keeper, do it the same way for the second. So when the first keeper is on, push it around the other side so you get ready for installing the second keeper. Dab the keeper tool and wiped off the access. So am the grease was only on the inside of the keeper tool. Then put the keepers in and it goes straight on the valve stem. Doesn't take a lot of pressure or effort. Once it clicks in wiggle it a little to make sure both sides are attached. The grease is what's holding in the keepers to the valve stem.

7. Use camera and mirrors for the rear seals near the firewall.

8. Put the black tab on the cam locks that fit flush. I think they were closer together. Meaning towards the front and back. Yours looks like they were mounted all the way at the ends of the engine. I think the digram on the AGATools shows them mounted to the engine spread wide. But mine was closer. Can't remember which ones but maybe 2 and 5 cam locks? I saw that too when I was mounting them but put them where they sit flush.

9. Put vice grip to prevent rod from sliding out. Harborfreight sells mini-vice grips which are excellent for this task.

10. Turn the motor enough to get the rocker off then back to TDC. When done with the valve stem seal, turn the engine back to where it was when you took off the rocker arm.

11. Very important to label the rockers and make sure you put them back exactly where they had been before. Or do one at a time so you will only have one rocker out at a time...the one for the valve you're working at the moment.

12. Use one pair of those pliers to grab the stem seal then another pair of pliers to clamp the handles together to get a super tight grip then leveraged back and forth until they came off.

13. Place white shop towels in the engine bay to catch items that may drop through, and so that the caught items would be easily visible for pickup with a magnet and such.

14. Adjust crank off of TDC and back to get valves seated. Try to rotate the engine a few times. Important- rotating the engine must be done after removing spark plugs from both banks, i.e. left and right side of the engine.

15. When installing the valve cover back, push the bottom part of the valve cover on first. Thereís a red clip that will sit properly. And youíll feel it click. Be careful you donít break the sensor as you install it.

16. Tonyís video strongly emphasizes inspection of each and every spring before you put the valve cover back on. It must properly sit in the Vee groove. Also verify that the keepers are seated in the correct orientation per Tonyís video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1D29BW-xbQ&t=296s. The rocker arm must sit flash on the spring. There must not be a gap between the two as demonstrated in the video.

17. As Tony points out in his video, place shop towels in the cylinder head to catch accidental falling of screws into engine internals that would be unrecoverable otherwise.

18. As you get further and further back into the cylinders, it becomes very difficult to not only install the sleeve but also difficult to remove. Perhaps the AGA metal sleeve is way easier. You may want to just grease up the inside of the rubber valve stem seal And put grease in the valve stem grooves. And just slider her right on.

19. I dabbed the keeper tool with grease and wiped off the excess. The grease was only on the inside of the keeper tool. Then put the keepers in and go straight at the valve stem. Doesn't take a lot of pressure or effort. Once it clicks in, wiggle it a little to make sure both sides are attached. The grease is what's holding the keepers to the valve stem.

21) Turn engine clockwise
-bring engine to TDC on the cylinder being worked on.
-With the CAM lobes on the backside of the roller and the TDC flag in the spark plug hole, turn the engine to where you see the flag crest over.

21) When changing the seals, follow the engine firing order on the bank you're working on, e.g. bank1 cylinder 1-4-3-2. Each cylinder has 4 valve stems.
22) On cylinder number 2, there's a little block on the side of the CAM shaft interferes with the fitment of the foot/fork extension of the tool on the intake valve at TDC. So turn the engine just a little bit past TDC to have enough clearance to do that valve.
23) So first after turning the engine to TDC, we compress the spring on the valve just far enough so that we can remove the rocker arm that seats on the spring. Note that the spring and valve are still one unit and not separated and thus move together. With the spring still compressed, remove the rocker arm. Then turn the engine again to bring the pistion down to create enough space to insert some nylon rope into the spark plug hole and bring the piston back towards TDC. The wad of rope in the combustion chamber will support the valve. Note that the valve and spring are still one piece. - After inserting rope, turn the engine again towards TDC and you should see the valve come up protruding above the compressed spring. Press down on the valve to make sure it does not move at all confirming that the rope is doing it's job. After this confirmation, you can remove the keepers off the valve stem and release tension off the spring (decompress it). The spring can now be removed and the now exposed seal can also now be removed.
10nm is the torque for Cam cap nuts. Insert nuts and tighten by hand without play. Tighten down nuts from inside to outside. Torque 10nm. But the oil line bolt 22nm.
24) The keeper tool does get a bit tricky, but once you know how to put the keepers in, it's a walk in the park after that.

25) What we like to do is finish the intake valve seals and install the rocker arms all at the end.
- Use the chalkboard to mark the timing chain where it last stopped before removing the rocker arm out of its place.
- Put zip ties around the roller to hold in place. I did have the last one closest to the firewall pop off and boy was it a bitch.
- The only way I do it is with the piston at TDC of the compression stroke
make sure to fully seat the seal. The spring will not fully sit it. Use a short 16mm socket to press the seal in.
26) You might want to look at your Valve guided too. Are you cleaning the sits before installing the valve stem seals? Mine had a little carbon built up so as I changed them I was making sure I clean before installation.
If you happen to reinstall the rockers, hand crank the engine about 4 times.
27) Also make sure to rotate the engine a few times and check again that the springs are good and Seated right. Just make sure to check no seal top oval springs came off and make sure all the springs are sitting correctly.
28) To prevent the valvetronic spring from slipping off the intermediate lever V-groove (it's a nightmare to put it back into the groove), do not turn the engine clock-wise when creating space to insert cord or when removing pressure from the cord after you're done. Turn the engine backwards only as needed. When done with a cylinder, turn the engine clock-wise a couple of times.

Purplefade 04-14-2019 07:43 PM

Absolutely priceless! Thanks X5only!

Iím actually to the point where Iíve made peace with tearing her down and getting this job done.

I think in addition to all of the o-rings required (on your suggestion) I am going to check my intermediate levers also, when it was new (to me) I had some issues with rough idle on cold morning starting but strangely the last couple of years I havenít had the issue come back. dunno...

Iím actually the most bummed about having to do the valve covers (again), I just knocked those out about a year ago to stop an oil leak on the passenger side... but oh well, thatís how it goes.

But on the flip side Iím a little bit ďexcitedĒ to get the opportunity to do some spring cleaning and replace some of my older vacuum lines while Iím under the hood [emoji106]

CleanIsFast 04-15-2019 08:55 AM

Seeing that last photo made my stomach sink, lol

Purplefade 04-15-2019 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by CleanIsFast (Post 1159982)
Seeing that last photo made my stomach sink, lol



Ainít that the truth... seems like the only thing BMW really made easy is putting fuel in the thing [emoji16]

For everything else you really have to love your X or youíll learn to hate it fast. Thankfully I love my X.... for now... ask me again after Iím done with the VSS job.

CleanIsFast 04-15-2019 09:05 AM

Saw an engine out video on youtube and I thought to myself, I could do this...Then about 30 mins later when the guy is fiddling around with positioning that little circular cap over the valve I stopped watching hahaha

Engine out does look a bit easier though

crystalworks 04-15-2019 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by X5only (Post 1159952)
This repair is still fresh in my mind. A few tips...

Thank you for taking the time. Adding that post to my VSS knowledge base. :thumbup:

SlickGT1 04-15-2019 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CleanIsFast (Post 1159985)
Saw an engine out video on youtube and I thought to myself, I could do this...Then about 30 mins later when the guy is fiddling around with positioning that little circular cap over the valve I stopped watching hahaha

Engine out does look a bit easier though

I was debating this too, but removing the engine is a bitch in itself. I feel if I take the engine out, Iím gonna want to hit all the problem areas at once, and that could be a project I stall for months on end.

X5only 04-16-2019 02:08 AM

Folks, it's not that tough, honestly. I too was dreading it, but after watching videos upon videos, I gained some confidence. Now, trust me, YOU CAN DO IT! All it takes is patience and being meticulous. It's not the kind of project you do while enjoying some beers, sorry, unless you've done it gazillion times before :D. Wow, removing the engine just to tackle valve stem seals, would be the toughest project ever for the average DIY'er! It's better to remove the cams instead, that would make it match easier, even if you'd have to deal with engine timing and correctly installing the cams back - a gazillion times better than removing the engine! Ö.:D

andrewwynn 04-16-2019 10:12 AM

I replaced about ten valves not too long ago. Removed them with a pair of pliers and a piece of pipe I cut a slot out the side. (Helper held the spring tension at Bay)

The learning curve on installing the valve keepers was steep, it took dozens of attempts but i can say that the idea of some grease is a very good one. I would maybe just use some engine oil as to not introduce additional mix of lubricant. I was able to do them all dry by using this method:

Using a very pointy tweezers, set the keeper bottom first into the groove on the higher side of the valve stem (let gravity help), then very carefully rotate that keeper to the bottom side (this is where the oil/grease will come in very helpful) then repeat with the second keeper.

Once you figure out your method and get on the groove it will feel easy, don't fret if it takes a while to learn how, I dropped the keeper dozens of times, lots of cussing involved during the learning phase.

I didn't have the official valve spring tool so I made one from the $13 model from harbor freight. I cut the feet to reach in and hook under the opening in the head.

Purplefade 04-23-2019 02:07 PM

Everything ordered and shipped, should be here Fri/Mon, planning on starting the tear down next week / weekend.

With all of the videos and help from this forum, I am feeling very confident about the job and actually starting to look forward to the opportunity to cleanup a lot of things up while Iím in there!

I will definitely keep the forum in the know as I go and post my experience with the job when Iím finished.

That said, if you read the post from X5only - that dude is thorough! [emoji106]

CleanIsFast 04-23-2019 02:11 PM

godspeed purplefade

Does someone have an entire parts listing?

Purplefade 04-23-2019 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CleanIsFast (Post 1160685)
godspeed purplefade

Does someone have an entire parts listing?



Thanks brother!!

Parts List:
Valve Stem Seal Kit - 1134029751 x2
Valve Cover Gasket Left - 11127513195 x1
Valve Cover Gasket Right - 11127513194 x1
Cam Position Sensor O-Ring - 12141748398 x4
Valvetronic Actuator Seal O-Ring - 07119903596 x2
Valvetronic Actuator Seal Small Gasket - 11127518420 x2

I ordered a bunch of other stuff as well, but I figured while I was in there, there are a bunch of other things Iím going to do as well.

X5only 04-23-2019 05:41 PM

I would replace the upper timing cover gaskets as well. They do leak and so it's wise to replace them now since they require the valve covers to be removed anyway. The driver side upper timing cover requires the alternator to be slide out a bit so as to reach the cover bottom bolt.

Purplefade 04-23-2019 05:45 PM

Time for valve stem seals... 2005, 4.4i, 113,000 miles
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by X5only (Post 1160702)
I would replace the upper timing cover gaskets as well. They do leak and so it's wise to replace them now since they require the valve covers to be removed anyway. The driver side upper timing cover requires the alternator to be slide out a bit so as to reach the cover bottom bolt.



Totally agreed! I was posting more of ďonly what was required to do the VSS directlyĒ

That said, I ordered those as well as new Vanos o-rings, vacuum pump rebuild kit and a number of other goodies along with a new alternator bracket gasket as well [emoji106]


As a ďjust in case measureĒ I also ordered the upper and lower dipstick assembly and associated o-rings - though I am going to be VERY CAREFUL with mine when Iím in there 🤞🤞

SlickGT1 04-25-2019 10:35 PM

The alternator gasket was a useless order unless you plan on taking apart the bottom part of the front clip. That’s a mofo mission in its own. But if you can do vss, you can do the Devil gasket as well.

X5only 04-25-2019 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SlickGT1 (Post 1160980)
The alternator gasket was a useless order unless you plan on taking apart the bottom part of the front clip. Thatís a mofo mission in its own. But if you can do vss, you can do the Devil gasket as well.

I did the alternator gasket and, oh boy, it was a bloody &[email protected]^%@ to replace. It was a nightmare but eventually I got it done. I find the VSS project was much easier and enjoyable in comparison, just more time consuming.

EODguy 04-25-2019 11:23 PM

You aren't kidding about the alternator gasket. I rather masturbate with a cheese grater, cause even though it's mostly painful it's at least slightly amusing...

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Purplefade 04-25-2019 11:44 PM

Ha! ďDevil gasketĒ, ďMasturbate with a cheese graterĒ - you guys crack my ass up, thatís historical!

I know itís a total bitch... but I have the slightest bit of dampness that I managed to track back to what I think is that mofo bracket... so I figured... while I was in there I might as well do a little suffering... TRUST ME, if I get everything cleaned up nicely and I find it to not be that gasket - I will happily forego that torture for when itís absolutely necessary!!

With FCP being so easy to return to, I figured I would err on the side of have and not need vs need and not have... and then have to wait. That said, for what the odds and ends parts set me back, Iíll shelve them until I do need them since it really isnít if, itís more when...

Purplefade 04-25-2019 11:47 PM

As I said to X5only, I was going to try and video the entire job and then do some editing... but the garage owner wonít let me... he said I was totally cool to pic as much as I wanted to, but no video... Iím still pushing the issue a bit, but being nice enough to lend me his entire garage so that I can pull the X right into the middle and setup all of my LED lighting and shelving to lay everything out on... Iím not going to push too hard ☹️

andrewwynn 04-26-2019 01:11 AM

Use time lapse mode. No video just a picture every second or two.


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X5only 04-26-2019 01:14 AM

Yep, as Andrewwynn says. I cannot reiterate this enough:take as many pics as possible before you make the next move as you work. It saved me in reassembling things back together exactly the way they were before. At times one gets too confident, stops work for the day, and then the next work session becomes a hustle as you put things together.

SlickGT1 04-26-2019 02:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purplefade (Post 1160993)
Ha! ďDevil gasketĒ, ďMasturbate with a cheese graterĒ - you guys crack my ass up, thatís historical!

I know itís a total bitch... but I have the slightest bit of dampness that I managed to track back to what I think is that mofo bracket... so I figured... while I was in there I might as well do a little suffering... TRUST ME, if I get everything cleaned up nicely and I find it to not be that gasket - I will happily forego that torture for when itís absolutely necessary!!

With FCP being so easy to return to, I figured I would err on the side of have and not need vs need and not have... and then have to wait. That said, for what the odds and ends parts set me back, Iíll shelve them until I do need them since it really isnít if, itís more when...

Very true. That gasket is cheap as a beer. How do you like buying a $5.00 gasket for 10 hours of work? I made a write up on this by the way. Itís a bitch, especially with both axles having to come out. Some people having a nightmare when their axles are stuck in there, I was very fortunate that my originals came out with a regular crow bar love tap.

Itís a devil gasket because BMW gave us the horns by using cheap shit in a spot that is protected by the Jesus bolt. The Jesus bolt is the one that it right behind the diff. As in, Jesus, which mofo put this forking bolt right behind the diff?

Quicksilver 04-26-2019 03:24 PM

I didn't go thru all the post responding to the OP But I did have this problem.
I did find this info but replaced the CVC diaphragms before reading the solutions listed here.
https://xoutpost.com/bmw-sav-forums/...lem-fixed.html. My blue smoke is gone for the time being.
Who knows you may find a simple fix also.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purplefade (Post 1159648)
Hi guys, being a do it yourselfer, I think it is time for me to tackle the dreaded valve stem seal replacement job on my 4.4i.

Iím definitely open to suggestions but at 113k miles and smoking like a mosquito fogger after idling for even a few minutes (nice big plume of white smoke) I think itís time to bite the bullet.

I have replaced all of the CCV components, bumped my oil to 10w40 synthetic and still smoking after any kind of ďminorĒ idle time.

Strange thing is that it came on quick, like one day I didnít notice it and the next day POW, smoke, and it only seems to be getting worse.

No loss of power, no rough idle, no codes, nothing but smoke and sticky tail pipes.

Thoughts?


Purplefade 04-26-2019 07:05 PM

Time laps! I like that, I think that may just work! - Good Call!!

Quicksilver, Iíve been through the CCV and actually replaced the diaphragms once and then all of the tubing and diaphragms a second time... I was hopeful but to no avail...

With the CCV being clean and new, I jumped up to thicker oil and restore, that actually worked for a bit but when the extended idle smoking came back... it came back with a vengeance!

Sitting at just under 115k and looking at all of the posts here and elsewhere... Iím sad to say, I believe I have fallen victim to cheap VSS from BMW ☹️

I have even gone through the majority of the vacuum lines, etc, just as a what if scenario and everything seems solid. I hate to say now that I have everything Iím committed... but planning to keep the X for as long as I possibly can, itís nearly inevitable that I will be doing them sooner or later, so... painfully... I think now that I have everything that Iím just going to dive in and do them.

As for that mondo pain alternator gasket, if I can absolutely confirm that it is dry - that little sucker isnít getting done... yet [emoji106]

Purplefade 04-26-2019 07:08 PM

I officially have everything ready - the pain and suffering will commence this coming Tuesday!

I will keep the masses posted on my progress for sure - wish me luck!

X5only 04-26-2019 08:05 PM

All the best, Purplefade, we got your back, have fun :thumbup:. Be careful of the spring keepers, they tend to fly out and play hide and seek :D.

EODguy 04-26-2019 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purplefade (Post 1161075)
I officially have everything ready - the pain and suffering will commence this coming Tuesday!

I will keep the masses posted on my progress for sure - wish me luck!

Good luck and make sure you have all the little extras.....https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...4a3792874e.jpg

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Purplefade 04-26-2019 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EODguy (Post 1161085)
Good luck and make sure you have all the little extras.....https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...4a3792874e.jpg

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I like the way you think! - All donations will be accepted [emoji16]

EODguy 04-27-2019 03:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purplefade (Post 1161089)
I like the way you think! - All donations will be accepted [emoji16]

Whoa whoa, let's not get crazy now... [emoji38]

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Purplefade 04-27-2019 10:52 AM

Ahh heck, figured Iíd try anyway [emoji12]

That said, Iíve got an ice cold bottle of Crown Apple waiting for me [emoji106]

EODguy 04-27-2019 09:58 PM

LoL...

At this point while on a break from the Middle East sharing good bourbon just isn't going to happen, hell I would have eaten a greasy pork sandwich from a dirty ashtray just a week ago. [emoji38]

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Purplefade 04-29-2019 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EODguy (Post 1161134)
LoL...

At this point while on a break from the Middle East sharing good bourbon just isn't going to happen, hell I would have eaten a greasy pork sandwich from a dirty ashtray just a week ago. [emoji38]

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Brother, you sound like you need it more than I do at the moment!

Enjoy your bourbon and your time off [emoji106]


Ironically I met Tom Bulleit on vacation in Gatlinburg TN at a knife and gun show, him and another gentleman were setting up the bourbon bottles for their display. Pretty down to earth dude, I talked with him for a handful of minutes and he actually sent me on my way with a bottle of #10!

I think he was blown away that I recognized him, I conveniently neglected to tell him that I had just seen him and the company in a documentary on the Music & Spirits that made Kentucky.

EODguy 04-29-2019 10:57 PM

Thanks and if you happen to run into him again let him know that I plan on finishing the case I have in the Philippines and that he needs to redesign his case ,because the airlines told me that a case of Bourbon doesn't qualify as luggage... Now I am on my way to butcher a fat hog and I don't mean the dependapotamus I was married to back in the 90's[emoji38]

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Purplefade 04-29-2019 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EODguy (Post 1161234)
airlines told me that a case of Bourbon doesn't qualify as luggage... Now I am on my way to butcher a fat hog and I don't mean the dependapotamus I was married to back in the 90's[emoji38]

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You have to pack that stuff in a pelican case, that way they donít give you any grief!



ďDependapotamusĒ - too funny! I tried that shoe on once too, worked for about 18 months and then the hag got my car!

Needless to say I wasnít smart enough not to do it again... but the second time around I got lucky and found a good one [emoji106]. Been 22 years and she still support my car habit [emoji16].

(Though just recently she did suggest that I get something more dependable... like her Buick... we almost divorced on the spot!)

EODguy 04-30-2019 12:54 AM

I hear you bro after the last one I found and married an old fashioned gal just like mom. I took her home and dad didn't like her[emoji38] kidding but that was many PX's ago. She didn't like my machine gun collection but after I got her a suppressed Walther she does have me somewhat concerned.... Just remembered I have to get flowers or she'll get them for my wake.

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EODguy 04-30-2019 12:56 AM

I was going to edit my post but it wouldn't let me use the word "Buick"

[emoji38]

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Purplefade 05-05-2019 01:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EODguy (Post 1161237)
I was going to edit my post but it wouldn't let me use the word "Buick"

[emoji38]

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I like that - too funny!! That is how I felt, (yes, i admit it, I'm about to say "before I had a Buick) before I had a Buick...


My wife got t-boned and totaled our Sequoia :( and my father-in-law just happened to be looking for a new car at the time so he gave us an unbelievable deal on his new Buick Enclave. I prefer driving the X ALL DAY over the Buick but I do have to admit, that Enclave ended up being a great car - for her! :rofl:


And I actually don't mind driving it on road trips, it keeps the miles off mine :thumbup:

Purplefade 05-05-2019 01:11 AM

Project is officially under way!


In just a few hours this evening I was able to get everything off the motor and the valve covers loose and ready to come off in the morning. Fingers crossed tomorrow is good to me and I can make some more progress. I have about 12 hours I can put in to it starting in the morning and am really hoping to get through as much as I can.


Up to now the only issue I have had is one of the torx bolts holding the ground straps on the valve cover rounded out on me and I had to cut a slot in it and remove it with a large flat head screwdriver - all in all, not too bad.


Fingers crossed for tomorrow!


I haven't verified yet if I have any weeping around the alternator bracket, I am hoping all is well and I can move on, but the fact that I am "near" it now, actually moving the alternator to get to that last timing cover bolt...


ALMOST makes me want to pull the mounts, drop the diff down and just do it now... I am pushing just at 115,000 miles???

EODguy 05-05-2019 01:20 AM

Don't forget the preparatory Bourbon and I swear if you drink some froo-froo crap I'll call the man police...[emoji38]

Best of luck, because friends don't let friends drive Buicks

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X5only 05-05-2019 05:15 AM

Be careful you don't end up breaking the eccentric shaft sensor ears as you remove the valve covers. Put tape around it to help protect it, and in case it breaks the pieces don't disappear into the engine.

Purplefade 05-05-2019 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by X5only (Post 1161542)
Be careful you don't end up breaking the eccentric shaft sensor ears as you remove the valve covers. Put tape around it to help protect it, and in case it breaks the pieces don't disappear into the engine.



Good call!

Iím on my way back to the garage now to get rolling for the day. Iíll tape those up and let you know how it goes.

Purplefade 05-05-2019 11:49 AM

Time for valve stem seals... 2005, 4.4i, 113,000 miles
 
So far so good, passenger side valve, timing cover and oil line are off and it feels like I have all kinds of room on that side.

Driver side a bit tighter, but coming apart nicely so far.


Edit - that damn fuel line nipple! Iím going to have to massage it out of my way some - for some strange reason mine is bent down towards the valve cover... looks like it was installed that way, oh well - Iíll get her out of the way eventually.

Purplefade 05-06-2019 06:32 PM

Both valve covers off, both timing covers off and started in on the valve seals only to find out FCP shipped me the wrong valve stem seals...

They are overnighting the correct seals to me so being unable to continue the seals today I:

Flushed and filled the front & rear diffs.
Flushed and filled the transfer case
Replaced my fuel filter
Replaced a handful of the vacuum lines
And started in on the alternator bracket gasket

Iím going to finish up the alternator bracket gasket tonight/in the morning and then start in on the seals again as soon as my next day shipment arrives [emoji106]

crystalworks 05-06-2019 08:47 PM

Still nice day's work considering the setback! Very nice. How did you know they were the wrong seals? I ordered Elrings from there for my job as well. Did they send you the wrong brand?

Purplefade 05-06-2019 08:53 PM

Thanks crystalworks!

All in all I was happy with the day [emoji106]

Werenít actually the wrong seals, weíre just not the seals I ordered ☹️

Ordered Corteco red, revised seals and they sent me (new) old stock, BMW brown & green seals... Really only wanting to do this once in the Xs life with me and since I had plenty of other stuff to do I figured I would make the day productive.

They are overnighting the correct seals so I should have those and make some progress tomorrow.

EODguy 05-06-2019 09:03 PM

Great amount of work done, Congratulations!!

Although you made me laugh the way you said you were going to get that Mickey Mouse gasket done like it was easy[emoji38]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...15d6eb52e3.jpghow I felt doing my gasket

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crystalworks 05-06-2019 10:22 PM

LOL! Did you feel like the bottom duck, middle duck, or the rooster? Makes a big difference contextually. ;)

Purplefade 05-06-2019 10:48 PM

Thatís funny as hell!

Iíll let you guys know how I feel about it when itís done... Iíve read the horror stories and believe me, Iím afraid - it has gone way to smooth for me up to now...

EODguy 05-06-2019 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crystalworks (Post 1161672)
LOL! Did you feel like the bottom duck, middle duck, or the rooster? Makes a big difference contextually. ;)

Let's just say I felt ducked.....[emoji38]

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andrewwynn 05-07-2019 01:32 AM

Time for valve stem seals... 2005, 4.4i, 113,000 miles
 
Nice making lemonade from lemons. Good luck on the Mickey. That's in the top 3 ludicrous BMW design fails.

Iirc need to remove CV if so leave the strut tower bolts out when removing and installing the axle into the hub. At least 20x easier.

(I banged for an hour no progress at all on a stuck CV spline. In desperation I loosened the shock tower bolts and the rubber boot from the CV shot the axle fully through the hub I didn't do anything)

Purplefade 05-07-2019 05:17 PM

Alternator bracket gasket update:

Nothing quite like a dose of false confidence!

OMG... I ran out of four letter words within the first 15 minutes of reaching in trying to get the freakin oil cooler lines off!

So after 6 hours, WAY to much cussing and throwing shit... it is finally done!

I TOTALLY see what you guys mean by calling it ďthe devil gasketĒ - Iím a grown ass man and there was one point where I thought that I might make more progress by just collapsing on the garage floor and crying out loud for an hour or so - it was a TERRIBLE thing that I will absolutely give the car away before I ever do it again - and that is no lie!

Now that Iíve closed that miserable chapter in my life - itís time to finish the valve stem seals and put the top of the engine back together [emoji106]

(After getting totally shot faced tonight of course! - those VSS can wait until sun up after the day Iíve had.)

andrewwynn 05-07-2019 05:51 PM

I'd rather do timing chain guides for sure that Micky gasket is insanity.


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Purplefade 05-07-2019 06:00 PM

Thereís definitely an engineer that needs fired for that mess!

andrewwynn 05-07-2019 06:23 PM

Tortured. And the perfect penalty would be forces to do the repair himself.


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SlickGT1 05-07-2019 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewwynn (Post 1161754)
Tortured. And the perfect penalty would be forces to do the repair himself.


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One every single car that made production. That would be fair.


Congrats purple.

andrewwynn 05-07-2019 07:51 PM

Yep that was the idea.


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Purplefade 05-07-2019 08:00 PM

Thanks Slick!!

Iím up for just about anything - but that... I never want to do that again - ever!

EODguy 05-07-2019 08:05 PM

I am glad you got it done and apparently with just the "normal" issues...

I think that a trip to the class 6 store is mandatory when preparing to shove Mickey's head into and engine shaped vise.

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X5only 05-07-2019 08:22 PM

I speak 4 languages and I still ran out of curse words while doing the alternator bracket gasket :iagree:. Congratulations for getting it done in 6 hours :thumbup:.

EODguy 05-07-2019 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by X5only (Post 1161770)
I speak 4 languages and I still ran out of curse words while doing the alternator bracket gasket :iagree:. Congratulations for getting it done in 6 hours [emoji106].

I am sure you now actually speak a 5th language, one made up entirely of e53 inspired words.

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Purplefade 05-07-2019 08:36 PM

Iím one language and a VERY LITTLE BIT of Spanish... I definitely needed those other 2 languages - because I had to start recycling words!

Not sure what I was thinking... I watched dozens of videos and read dozens of ďhow tosĒ, knew it was a beast job but had this ďzenĒ going... right up until stuff got real and it took me the better part of an hour to get the top two diff bolts loose...

I have a real nice battle wound on the back of my skull that bled forever until I packed a few clean paper towels between my head and my headlight band...

crystalworks 05-07-2019 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purplefade (Post 1161772)
Iím one language and a VERY LITTLE BIT of Spanish... I definitely needed those other 2 languages - because I had to start recycling words!

Not sure what I was thinking... I watched dozens of videos and read dozens of ďhow tosĒ, knew it was a beast job but had this ďzenĒ going... right up until stuff got real and it took me the better part of an hour to get the top two diff bolts loose...

I have a real nice battle wound on the back of my skull that bled forever until I packed a few clean paper towels between my head and my headlight band...

Congrats though. I have that same gasket here in my "parts to be installed bin." I fear the day it becomes necessary.

My daughter is working on getting me sick (and the entire household of course). My nerves with the son unit are short (he's 2.5) because I'm not felling well, a bathroom remodel, and I'm on my second "das boot" of rum/diet to cope. I assume when my time comes to do the alternator bracket gasket, I'll feel like today was a cake walk. :rofl:

Purplefade 05-07-2019 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crystalworks (Post 1161773)
Congrats though. I have that same gasket here in my "parts to be installed bin." I fear the day it becomes necessary.



My daughter is working on getting me sick (and the entire household of course). My nerves with the son unit are short (he's 2.5) because I'm not felling well, a bathroom remodel, and I'm on my second "das boot" of rum/diet to cope. I assume when my time comes to do the alternator bracket gasket, I'll feel like today was a cake walk. :rofl:



Brother, I feel your pain in getting sick... my son had a sore throat about 5 days ago, my youngest daughter followed him and now my wife... and I think, as of today, that they got me too! ☹️

I wish you all the best in staying healthy!!

With regard to ďcake walkĒ you are right - today will be a weeee sneeze in your entire life span vs that gasket that will be etched into your worst nightmares for the rest of your life - LOL.

I will say that once youíre finished that this awesome since of calm & victory comes over you!

Orrr, wait - no... thatís all the rum & cokes and Jell-O shots that Iíve had over the last few hours to take the bad memoryís away [emoji38] - sorry about that!

SlickGT1 05-07-2019 09:52 PM

Pretty sure it took me longer. And I did it on a lift at a BMW shop with a mechanic friend. So seriously good job. 6 hours is impressive.

EODguy 05-07-2019 10:07 PM

I still have my memento from doing mine a few months ago....https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...34e3657c58.jpg

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EODguy 05-07-2019 10:09 PM

Before anyone says it I'm not thick I just have a fat skeleton..[emoji38]

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Purplefade 05-07-2019 10:17 PM

Oh come on - letís have some political correctness around here... decency, decency - itís ďbig bonedĒ [emoji12]

crystalworks 05-07-2019 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purplefade (Post 1161781)
Oh come on - letís have some political correctness around here... decency, decency - itís ďbig bonedĒ [emoji12]

All the hip kids would say he's THIIIIICCCCCCCC. ;) :rofl:

EODguy 05-07-2019 10:43 PM

It's what I say, even though I've never seen a fat skeleton...

I usually say it's all foreskin...[emoji38]

My wife is shaking her head right now[emoji38]

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Purplefade 05-09-2019 01:15 AM

Time for valve stem seals... 2005, 4.4i, 113,000 miles
 
Well.. today was not nearly as productive.

I started back in to the VSS and was on a role until I got to cylinder 3, 2nd intake valve, 1 no problem, 2 pretty straight forward, 3 not too bad - may be in a rhythm here... nope, number 4 and three hours later I had to quit.

I canít for the life of me get the keepers back on that valve...

Oh well, back at it tomorrow, Iíll get that one finished and then move on to an easier win and do some of the exhaust valves!

I know I always feel more motivated when I see the progress and with a full days effort in and only 3.75 valves done... I didnít see too much progress...

I did manage to get everything degreased and cleaned and put the new (big o-ring) on my vac pump so itís ready to go back on.


Question - Iíve had no prior issues, but it is out of the car - should I rebuild the alternator? Voltage regulator? Brushes? - Thoughts?

X5only 05-09-2019 02:05 AM

Could you please post a picture of what you're dealing with? I'm trying to visualize but can't quite see the problem and don't recall spending that much of time to install the keepers in any of the valves. Having said that, patience is called for in the utmost and now you can attest to that. I recall losing a keeper in the engine and spent nearly a whole day looking for it :bustingup. I simply had to find it - no options, as you don't want to imagine what damage a keeper floating in the engine would do.

Take it easy and no rush:thumbup:

EODguy 05-09-2019 05:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by X5only (Post 1161842)



Take it easy and no rush[emoji106]

+1

This is also why God made great Bourbon available....

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Purplefade 05-09-2019 12:47 PM

Must have just needed a 5th of moonshine, some sleep and a clear head... sucker went right on this morning! I doubt I will finish today, but I am finally making some good progress - not to jinx myself... We'll see how it goes.

X5only 05-09-2019 06:33 PM

Great. I'd advice not to set targets for yourself in that manner. Just tackle a task as it comes and take your time. Some areas are more challenging than others and will take more time. Initially I was setting targets and realized I tended to rush and take risks to meet those targets. Often, mistakes were made. Relax and enjoy the project. Stop and look back at your work. Smile and take a break :thumbup:. This is why I strongly advice against renting tools since you're working against a deadline (rental end-date).

Purplefade 05-09-2019 11:00 PM

I agree with that - ďrelax and enjoy the projectĒ [emoji106]

I settled in to a groove today when I had a chance to get to the garage and knocked out another 8 valves!

Iím to a cool 12 finished! - I will be REALLY HAPPY when I make to to the ďI finally have less to finish than I have doneĒ Point - oh sweeeeet number 17 and then itís all downhill from there!!

Today was a good day! Thankfully I have a few hours I can put in to it on Friday before I have to take my daughter to Cleveland... I love dance... (NOT - shit is insanity) ...

In no hurry, just working though them, im ďexcitedĒ to see how far I can get!

I will say the exhaust rockers are a treat to reset... easy to grab, crappy to put back...

EODguy 05-09-2019 11:24 PM

Congrats on finding your groove and when you're done it'll be time for more Bourbon.

Enjoy your trip with your daughter and remember to stop at all those out of the way parts places during the trip...

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andrewwynn 05-10-2019 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purplefade (Post 1161909)
Iím to a cool 12 finished! - I will be REALLY HAPPY when I make to to the ďI finally have less to finish than I have doneĒ Point - oh sweeeeet number 17 and then itís all downhill from there!!


When I was in Navy nuclear power school, somebody introduced me to an awesome concept called the "happiness factor". It's a simple math formula applied to any bitching hard project that has a definitive start and end point such as days in and days remaining.

Divide #in by #left. It will be unity when half way through and explodes exponentially toward the end. It will work well for the valve count.

X5only 05-10-2019 04:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewwynn (Post 1161911)
When I was in Navy nuclear power school, somebody introduced me to an awesome concept called the "happiness factor". It's a simple math formula applied to any bitching hard project that has a definitive start and end point such as days in and days remaining.

Divide #in by #left. It will be unity when half way through and explodes exponentially toward the end. It will work well for the valve count.

Wow, so real even though it's a placebo. One actually feels great progress when tackling the last few valves, actually when you're half way through the second bank :rofl:

Purplefade 05-10-2019 07:14 AM

HA - it is a great formula, makes you feel amazing about your progress!!

Until you realize that youíre 80% of the way through and that the last 4 valves left take 80% of the time [emoji38]

SlickGT1 05-10-2019 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purplefade (Post 1161915)
HA - it is a great formula, makes you feel amazing about your progress!!

Until you realize that youíre 80% of the way through and that the last 4 valves left take 80% of the time [emoji38]

I hate that shit. Almost as much as removing stuff thatís in good working order for the first 6 hours. And thatís only to get to the broken part.

My main Moto is the eyes are scared, but hands will get it done one step at a time.

Purplefade 05-10-2019 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EODguy (Post 1161910)
Congrats on finding your groove and when you're done it'll be time for more Bourbon.

Enjoy your trip with your daughter and remember to stop at all those out of the way parts places during the trip...

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I wish I had further to go, but with Cleveland being only a couple and a half hours from me... Iíve tromped through most of those yards already ☹️


I figured since I only had a couple hours today to put in to VSS that I would use all the hours in Cleveland for the more bourbon part!! [emoji16]. Sheís dancing and I have no where to be during that 60 ish hour window!

Purplefade 05-10-2019 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SlickGT1 (Post 1161917)
I hate that shit. Almost as much as removing stuff thatís in good working order for the first 6 hours. And thatís only to get to the broken part.



My main Moto is the eyes are scared, but hands will get it done one step at a time.



Thatís how I felt having to remove the intake on the Enclave to change the spark plugs! I thought how stupid is this to have to tear down a good running engine just to change spark plugs - insanity!

And you look at everything that has to come off, or move and the first thought is always - I really donít want to do this... but the hands always get it done in the end!

andrewwynn 05-10-2019 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purplefade (Post 1161915)
HA - it is a great formula, makes you feel amazing about your progress!!

Until you realize that youíre 80% of the way through and that the last 4 valves left take 80% of the time [emoji38]


Doesn't matter the momentum and the skill earned from doing the first half makes It feel like it's going faster and faster.

Purplefade 05-10-2019 07:23 PM

Woooo-Hoooo - 17 of 32 done - finally, 51% of the way there!!

It feels REALLY GOOD to have more than half of them finished [emoji106]

Done for now, have to pack for Cleveland, back on Monday to get started again.

SlickGT1 05-10-2019 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purplefade (Post 1161950)
Woooo-Hoooo - 17 of 32 done - finally, 51% of the way there!!

It feels REALLY GOOD to have more than half of them finished [emoji106]

Done for now, have to pack for Cleveland, back on Monday to get started again.

Great job. Enjoy the weekend.

X5only 05-10-2019 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purplefade (Post 1161950)
Woooo-Hoooo - 17 of 32 done - finally, 51% of the way there!!

It feels REALLY GOOD to have more than half of them finished [emoji106]

Done for now, have to pack for Cleveland, back on Monday to get started again.

Wow, amazing progress! Are you sure you're not an ex BMW tech masquerading as an avid DIY'er :D? Well done :thumbup:.

crystalworks 05-10-2019 10:17 PM

Nice work Purple! We're all rooting for you. I forget which set of tools are you using? The AGA tools or the other lower priced ones that have been out of stock?

Purplefade 05-10-2019 10:59 PM

I wish I had the weekend to work, I had hoped to (try and) have back on the road Monday, but with my weekend booked with my daughter, itís probably going to be this coming weekend.

Though Iím cool with that, receiving the wrong keepers actually gave me a chance to do a number of other things I had wanted to do after winter but hadnít made the time for yet.

As everyone has said - not a ďbadĒ job per say, definitely tedious and requires some tenacity - but all in all not a real bad job.

Wouldnít want to do it for a living but on my own time itís totally worth it and I also feel like I know more about the car for whatever comes next!


CW -

Iím using the set from Speed Shop / Speed Works - I forget which it was but itís an excellent set, working very well [emoji106][emoji106]

EODguy 05-11-2019 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purplefade (Post 1161937)
I figured since I only had a couple hours today to put in to VSS that I would use all the hours in Cleveland for the more bourbon part!! [emoji16]. Sheís dancing and I have no where to be during that 60 ish hour window!

Woohoo... smashed at the ballet.!! Well played sir, well played[emoji38]

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Purplefade 05-14-2019 09:24 PM

Cleveland ended up being better than I thought it would! Being a huge dance competition I was able to let my daughter stay with her friends, about 50 girls went, and they hung out at the competition all day while stayed at the hotel in the hot I hot tub and drank rum & coke!

Ended up not getting back to the garage until tonight but I was able to get up to 19!! Yaaaa!

Only 13 left to go and then I get to put her back together [emoji106]

I think Iím the most excited actually about the opportunity to clean everything while I have it apart - itís the cleanest itís been under the hood since I bought it!

andrewwynn 05-14-2019 09:59 PM

Time for valve stem seals... 2005, 4.4i, 113,000 miles
 
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...93609e2286.jpg

Speaking of smashed.

Learning how to make a new drink plus I never had this brand before so I needed to try a shot. That was a lot for an afternoon. I was ďfeeling fine" for sure.

Happiness factor for the valves: 19/13 1.462 :-)

EODguy 05-14-2019 10:42 PM

See what I mean about Bulleit Bourbon...

I only have 2 bottles left from the case and my time off ends June 9th (scared about empty feelings)[emoji38]

By the way Andrew, remember nobody likes a quitter so stop leaving so much in that bottle[emoji38]

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X5only 05-15-2019 03:27 AM

Awesome:thumbup: Before installing the valve covers, turn the engine clockwise several times to make sure every movement looks normal, ensuring the valvetronic springs and rocker arms don't pop off, the keepers are seated properly (endoscope camera very handy here). Look back at your work. Check engine timing just in case. And when you're all satisfied, take a long sip of the Bourbon:D When you're all done and you fire up the engine and she starts right up with absolutely no issues and no smoke after a long idle, it will be one of the most satisfying feelings. And thereafter you can finish the bottle and light it up :rofl:.

andrewwynn 05-15-2019 10:24 AM

The job well done satisfaction is near impossible to overstate. There are a LOT of moving parts and a LOT of electrical connections. I did chain guifes twice and helped move a few heads including swapping valves (R/R head after timing chain broke and bent a dozen valves)

I've "been there" with first time "scary big" inside the engine job but with each step not being scary it was just a lot of time. Engine started like it was parked a few days never a bit of a hiccup no sputter, coughing or cloud of smoke.

Check your chain tension! My recent research indicates the chain guide failure is a symptom not the disease. Chain tensioner gets weak and lets the chain go slack, slack chain slaps the guides and they shatter. Horrible for a $60 part to cause a $1000, 30 hr. job.

I haven't found the official BMW stance on frequency of replacing the tensioner but if I had the V8 I would replace it every 80,000 miles preventively. (Puts second replacement right about the age the guides typically fail.

Purplefade 05-15-2019 11:27 AM

EOD - ďno one likes a quieterĒ - that is too funny!

AW - if you polished that off in an afternoon, Iím sure you were feeling no pain [emoji106]

X5only - maybe Iím too anal retentive... but Iíve been rolling them one full cycle as I finish each valve and replace that rocker arm, just made me feel good to know ďthatĒ cylinder was finished. That said, once Iím 32 for 32 I will probably Hans crank it a half dozen times while I run some oil over the cams and top of the head - button it up, pull the fuel pump fuse and crank it for 20/30 seconds, maybe less, to build some oil pressure before her first fire up [emoji106][emoji106]

AW - great minds brother!! With everything already apart I have been eyeing that tensioner, I think you just gave me the nudge I needed to go ahead and drop that in while Iím standing there! - No slack that I see/feel at the moment but for $60 itís real easy to do now.

Hoping to get back to the garage this evening and make some more progress!

X5M-ISH 05-15-2019 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by X5only (Post 1162240)
Awesome:thumbup: Before installing the valve covers, turn the engine clockwise several times to make sure every movement looks normal...

Too late for the OP, but making a video from several angles of turning over the engine by hand will give assurance by giving oneself the ability to check the work performed before the valve covers go back on. As you said, this moment is the last chance to ensure the work is performed correctly. During the initial tear down, this process will take only a few moments.

As a side topic, does anyone know what the stealership quotes for time involved to perform this? Also, for those of you who have completed this on your own or with buddies, how much time (not elapsed) did it take? Gimme your data.

crystalworks 05-15-2019 10:21 PM

^Dealership will want to pull the heads to do the job. Local dealer wants an ungodly amount of $$$... ~$7000 if memory serves. Local indy does it without pulling the head and charges ~$4000.

Purplefade 05-15-2019 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by X5M-ISH (Post 1162268)
Too late for the OP, but making a video from several angles of turning over the engine by hand will give assurance by giving oneself the ability to check the work performed before the valve covers go back on. As you said, this moment is the last chance to ensure the work is performed correctly. During the initial tear down, this process will take only a few moments.

As a side topic, does anyone know what the stealership quotes for time involved to perform this? Also, for those of you who have completed this on your own or with buddies, how much time (not elapsed) did it take? Gimme your data.




I couldn't agree more, my wife tells me all the time that i am "over-kill"... I have actually been turning the engine over one full cycle after I re-seat each of the rocker arms. It gives me an opportunity to review one full cycle of the engine immediately after I re-seat "that" valves keepers and take pressure off the spring, it's like a little "mini review" of each cylinder before the grand finale, (hand) crank event to make sure all's well for ignition :-)





For quotes I found everything from $2,100 + incidentals to $6,800 + incidentals. I found guys that would take responsibility for the cam sensors and eccentric shaft sensors and others who said if they crack, it's on you because they were old and brittle anyway - it really ran the gamete...



Time wise... WOW, I really went in to this with some misguided confidence... I can say that it isn't a "hard" job per say as much as it is a job were I.. think I may have invented a new language (and possibly cracked up just a little bit.. too :bustingup).


So far I have put in about 26 hours - about 6 on a nice, clean, methodical tear down and label shit day and the other 20 hours installing 20 of the 32 valve stem seals (I actually just finished the last of the exhaust valves this evening (bogger in the back on the driver side is a bitch to get a hold of to remove!) and have 12 of the intake seals yet go go... (and 2 of them are a royal pain) so I am guessing I have probably another 20 hours ahead of me with reassembling everything and cleaning up.

CleanIsFast 05-15-2019 11:06 PM

When my dad had to have his VSS done on his E70, the dealership said they wouldn’t even quote him. It was that much...

Guy in NY, Anthony, does it for $2,500
I’ve collected quotes from various shops in my area just for reference: $3,800-5000


Purple- sorry if this has been asked in the previous pages. Did you rent the AGA tools?

Purplefade 05-15-2019 11:14 PM

CleanlsFast,

I am using the tool set from (I think it was) speed works, actually had it loned to me by an awesome member of the forum!!

It works amazingly well!

X5only 05-16-2019 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purplefade (Post 1162271)
I couldn't agree more, my wife tells me all the time that i am "over-kill"... I have actually been turning the engine over one full cycle after I re-seat each of the rocker arms. It gives me an opportunity to review one full cycle of the engine immediately after I re-seat "that" valves keepers and take pressure off the spring, it's like a little "mini review" of each cylinder before the grand finale, (hand) crank event to make sure all's well for ignition :-)





For quotes I found everything from $2,100 + incidentals to $6,800 + incidentals. I found guys that would take responsibility for the cam sensors and eccentric shaft sensors and others who said if they crack, it's on you because they were old and brittle anyway - it really ran the gamete...



Time wise... WOW, I really went in to this with some misguided confidence... I can say that it isn't a "hard" job per say as much as it is a job were I.. think I may have invented a new language (and possibly cracked up just a little bit.. too :bustingup).


So far I have put in about 26 hours - about 6 on a nice, clean, methodical tear down and label shit day and the other 20 hours installing 20 of the 32 valve stem seals (I actually just finished the last of the exhaust valves this evening (bogger in the back on the driver side is a bitch to get a hold of to remove!) and have 12 of the intake seals yet go go... (and 2 of them are a royal pain) so I am guessing I have probably another 20 hours ahead of me with reassembling everything and cleaning up.

I can recall the difficulty in changing the rear ones on the driver side. I did them all by viewing on my surface laptop using the endoscope camera as I worked. Takes a lot of patience. A surgeon friend told me even surgery is no way near that hard:wow:

X5M-ISH 05-17-2019 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purplefade (Post 1160687)
Parts List:
Valve Stem Seal Kit - 1134029751 x2
Valve Cover Gasket Left - 11127513195 x1
Valve Cover Gasket Right - 11127513194 x1
Cam Position Sensor O-Ring - 12141748398 x4
Valvetronic Actuator Seal O-Ring - 07119903596 x2
Valvetronic Actuator Seal Small Gasket - 11127518420 x2

I ordered a bunch of other stuff as well...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purplefade (Post 1159863)
Just found this list:
Throttle body O-ring p/n 13547510433 (x1)
Right upper timing case seal p/n 11147506424 (x1)
Left upper timing case seal p/n 11147506425 (x1)
Solenoid big O-ring p/n 11367513222 (x4)
Solenoid small O-ring p/n 11367546379 (x4)
Vacuum pump O-ring p/n 11667509080 (x1)
Valve cover seal right p/n 11127513194 (x1)
Valve cover seal left p/n 11127513195 (x1)
Repair kit valve stem seal p/n 11340029751 (x2)
Eccentric shaft sensor seal p/n 11127518420 (x2)
Camshaft positioning sensor O-ring p/n 12141748398 (x4)
Valvetronic O-ring p/n 07119903596 (x2)
Optional:
Valvetronic spacer torx bolt p/n07129900465 (x2)


Is it necessary to pull the vacuum pump as implied in the second quote? Have any of you performed this repair using the OEM valve stem seals (assuming the material/design has been corrected)?

Also if anyone is in the Seattle area, i would be happy to lend an extra set of hands to help you expedite this process.

Purplefade 05-17-2019 01:12 PM

Time for valve stem seals... 2005, 4.4i, 113,000 miles
 
Itís only necessary to pull the vacuum pump if you are doing the upper timing covers as well, if youíre leaving those in place, the vacuum pump can stay in place as well. That said, if you donít do the timing covers you also donít have to pull the Vanos, so you wouldnít need those o-rings either.

Edit- when I talked to Kelly BMW here in OH, they did tell me that the factory VSS were the updated version, what kept me from ordering them was that they wanted nearly 3 times the price for them over FCPEuro... that said, if they are the revised version, there shouldnít be any issue with them.

X5only 05-17-2019 03:20 PM

One thing I've learned the hard way in my DIY adventures, is that when fixing A but B,C,D,E are easily accessible in the process, cheap and can fail, just replace all of them - A,B,C,D,E. For example, replacing the valve cover gaskets without replacing the upper timing cover gaskets will make you kick yourself really hard when sooner or later the timing gaskets start leaking, and you have to do the valve cover gaskets again.

Purplefade 05-17-2019 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by X5only (Post 1162367)
One thing I've learned the hard way in my DIY adventures, is that when fixing A but B,C,D,E are easily accessible in the process and can fail, just replace all of them - A,B,C,D,E. For example, replacing the valve cover gaskets without replacing the upper timing cover gaskets will make you kick yourself really hard when sooner or later the timing gaskets start leaking, and therefore you have to do all the gaskets all over again.



AMEN TO THAT!

With this particular vehicle if ďitĒ is in close proximity to what ever it is that Iím working on or ďitĒ has to be moved, removed or other in the process... it gets replaced! Iím sure I lean way towards over doing preventative maintenance, but at the end of the day, I only want to have to work on ďthatĒ area one time!

To X5onlys point, timing cover gaskets are cheap, not too difficult to install with the VCs already off and WOW... it would suck to have them start weeping right after you put the VCs back on...

Purplefade 05-18-2019 01:34 PM

23 down, 9 to go!

andrewwynn 05-18-2019 05:42 PM

23/9 = 2.556 happiness factor! :-)

Purplefade 05-18-2019 08:02 PM

Time for valve stem seals... 2005, 4.4i, 113,000 miles
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewwynn (Post 1162429)
23/9 = 2.556 happiness factor! :-)



Theyíre the darndest things, had one of the center intake valves take me 2.5 hours last night and then turned around tonight and knocked out the back 3 of the last 4 intake valves in 2 hours...

LoL - everything Iíve ever done Iíve gotten better at as I did it, but with valve stem seals on an N62, each seal is its own adventure with absolutely nothing in common with the seal you did before it 🤨.


Edit - That said, I have ďlowered my expectationsĒ, I now just get started with the goal ďto just get as far as I canĒ [emoji106][emoji106]. And that has worked awesomely!

X5M-ISH 05-18-2019 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purplefade (Post 1162440)
I have “lowered my expectations”

I have done full engine swaps in less time. Along with a buddy, we pulled and engine and rebuilt it over a weekend and had it back in for tuning on a Monday. I expect this VSS replacement to be both supremely time consuming and a test of patience. For fun I asked two indies in my area for an estimate on the VSS’s.

Indie 01: “yeah, do you want to pay for having this done with the engine in or out of the truck? The reason I suggest engine out is that the ports in the heads may need to be honed out if the seals have been smoking for a long time and the engine needs to be removed for that. Engine in is $2700, engine out will be $5,000.”

Indie 02: “sell it.”

Purplefade 05-18-2019 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by X5M-ISH (Post 1162454)
I have done full engine swaps in less time. Along with a buddy, we pulled and engine and rebuilt it over a weekend and had it back in for tuning on a Monday. I expect this VSS replacement to be both supremely time consuming and a test of patience. For fun I asked two indies in my area for an estimate on the VSSís.

Indie 01: ďyeah, do you want to pay for having this done with the engine in or out of the truck? The reason I suggest engine out is that the ports in the heads may need to be honed out if the seals have been smoking for a long time and the engine needs to be removed for that. Engine in is $2700, engine out will be $5,000.Ē

Indie 02: ďsell it.Ē



Ha ha ha - I really like Indie 02 [emoji12]. Sounds like he has definitely done this before!

I would love to see a master at work, I had one guy tell me to drop it off on Monday and stop back in Wednesday about lunch time to pick it up!

2.5 days... the dude has to be a BMW Ninja!

Purplefade 05-18-2019 10:40 PM

Well... (almost) the worst happened, I say almost because it didn't fall into the engine.. it fell into the vast, dark expanse of the engine compartment... and it's gone - I lost a keeper! :-(


That was right at the same sinking moment that I realized I had ordered everything... except additional keepers!! OMG - who does that.. VSS job and it really never crossed my mind, "what if I lose a keeper"... DOH!!


So... I have a handful of them on order from FCPEuro now for next day delivery... should have them Tuesday, until then.. I'm screwed.


Oh well, this opens up time for me to work on polishing my headlights... fun...

SlickGT1 05-18-2019 10:48 PM

Put up part number. I have a feeling you aren’t the only one who will drop a keeper. I’m pretty sure I will drop a few when time comes.

X5M-ISH 05-18-2019 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purplefade (Post 1162459)
time for me to work on polishing my headlights.

Come do mine when youíre done with yours. Iíll compensate you in keepers.:D

Maybe your x5 will rattle out that keeper a few days after you finish. You can make a necklace out of it and wear it as a reminder of the dragon you slayed.

...maybe the word should be changed from keepers to lostíers.

Purplefade 05-19-2019 12:18 AM

For a whooping $2.48... definitely grab at least a couple when you order the VSS themselves, then... you won't be waiting... like me... :popcorn:, until Tuesday...

Purplefade 05-19-2019 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SlickGT1 (Post 1162462)
Put up part number. I have a feeling you arenít the only one who will drop a keeper. Iím pretty sure I will drop a few when time comes.


Good call, that is:


BMW Valve Keeper - Genuine BMW 11341461405

Purplefade 05-19-2019 12:28 AM

I like "losters", I'm actually amazed I didn't lose one until now. Every time I drop one trying to install them I think, yep this is it, the time I don't find it, and every time, up to today, there it was, found it every time.


I finally lost a "loster"!


Once I have everything put back together I am going to "bounce" the car in the garage and see if I can get that keeper to fall on to the floor... will be too late to do anything about, but like you said - my ass is going to frame the thing! :D

andrewwynn 05-19-2019 11:28 AM

Time for valve stem seals... 2005, 4.4i, 113,000 miles
 
I lost like 3 keepers while transferring 6-7 valves from three heads into two. I was using the open tailgate of an x5 as my bench and they fell either into the crack of the tailgate or onto the ground.

I had Bunches of spares since we had at least one maybe two heads that were scrap so when one fell I could just grab another. Very good the point being made to have some spares. They are slippery little bastards.

95% chance it will be In the foam on top of the stiffening plate. Very good chance you'll see it again some day when you need to remove that sucka.

Purplefade 05-19-2019 11:51 AM

Stiffening plate is still off from when I did the alternator bracket gasket, I had hoped that it may have made it all the way to the floor but now Iím thinking itís hung up in the oil cooler and power steering lines somewhere... Iíve been all over the thing and no luck, Iím going to look some more today with fresh eyes and see what I come up with.

Other than that, it looks like Iím on ďvacationĒ from VSS until at least Tuesday - super bummer!

I even shook the car and gave everything in the general vicinity a nice bump bump bump to try and shake it loose, and still no joy.

Iím still annoyed that I totally forgot to order a handful of spares BEFORE I started... oh well...

X5only 05-19-2019 12:27 PM

For this reason it helps a lot to stuff the engine compartment with white paper towels or painters paper to catch falling parts. Use tape to place the paper in such a way fallen things can be seen easily. A keeper and a spring patch were caught this way saving me lots of headaches.

X5M-ISH 05-19-2019 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purplefade (Post 1162471)
Once I have everything put back together I am going to "bounce" the car in the garage and see if I can get that keeper to fall on to the floor... :D

It may be laying on top of the black cover/drip tray. Drop that on one side and see if itís there.

Over coffee this morning I added up the parts required for this project. I wanted to see the cost benefits reflected against what I was quoted from an Indie mechanic (not the one who quoted me ďsell itĒ). My assumptions are:
*all OEM parts at the indie will be used for repairs.
*the indie will charge full retail dealership prices for parts.
*the price of the specialty tools needed has already been written off.
*the indie will warranty the parts and labor if they are worth their salt.
*the indie will fix any additional items they break outside the original scope at their own expense.
*the indie will set a specific time frame of completion.
*I will want them to perform additional work such as timing case gaskets.
*they will notify me in writing if they notice any additional points of contention outside the original scope of work.
*I will need to rent a car for five days @ $50/day.

$2,900 to $3,200: P&L with engine remaining in the truck @ 32 to 40 hours turn around. $250 for the car rental. Total: $3,150 to $3,450

Performing this myself, my assumptions are:
*I will want to perform additional work such as upper timing case gaskets.
*I will replace additional vacuum lines and gaskets associated with the valves, upper timing cases, breather hoses etc.
*I do not have the specialty tools needed or a fully equipped garage.
*I will need to rent a car for seven to ten days MINIMUM, perhaps longer if a part is lost or broken or in transit.
*I will be able to work on this project for 10-12 hours Sat-Sun, 3-4 hours Mon-Fri; starting on a Saturday.
*I will need to spend my own time sourcing parts.
*no warranty on my own work.
*no additional set of hands if needed.
*I get to pat myself on the back once everything is finished.

Parts from FCP or Pelican, based on genuine OEM parts, will be $700 before any tax and shipping (calculate a few hundred less using OE parts). Rental car carries over from above @ $50/day. The valve seal tool to buy outright runs around $500 (slightly less if rented). Ballpark total is $1,700. Now, thereís a member who offered to lend me his valve seal tool, so assuming no one else has this tool when I am ready, my new total is $1,200.

$1,200 and the work is done myself, no warranty, in about ten days elapsed.
$3,450 and the work is done by an indie, warranty on parts and labor, completed in five business days.

Is $2,000 worth a warranty, no headache and peace of mind? Is it worth doing something this large on your own?

Purplefade 05-19-2019 04:25 PM

I did all that math also... and at the end of the day (for me) it came down to - I am capable of doing the job, I am interested in doing the job, I can clean up, rebuild or replace a number of other things while Iím in there and then I can blow the 2+ grand that I saved (though I did spend a shit load of time on it) on something else that I would like to have (like tinted windows and a set of 20x11 wheels [emoji16]).

Decision will be different for everyone and having to rent a car to drive while your X is down definitely adds to the cost suck factor. ☹️. As does not having someone you can call when you do need that extra hand.

That said, I did the VSS, valve cover gaskets, alternator bracket gasket, upper timing cover gaskets, vacuum pump rebuild, Vanos seals, new spark plugs and spark plug tubes and all my vacuum lines for just about $600 - which will probably end up taking me just shy of 50 ish hours when itís all said and done. (As soon as my new keepers get here... double doh again for my stupid ass missing those in my order...)

Only thing I can say is that if you do decide to tackle them yourself, itís not hands on directly, but you will have all the help youíll need from the forum [emoji106]

Good luck either way you decide!

Purplefade 05-19-2019 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by X5only (Post 1162498)
For this reason it helps a lot to stuff the engine compartment with white paper towels or painters paper to catch falling parts. Use tape to place the paper in such a way fallen things can be seen easily. A keeper and a spring patch were caught this way saving me lots of headaches.



Heard that! I totally screwed myself, I had literally everything packed with white towels so that I could see anything that landed on them and snag it before it got lost.... My wife... being ever so helpful decided to do a large load of towels and on a whim... I stepped in to the garage to ďjust finish that oneĒ and... snap, ping, fling... keeper gone ☹️

Hard lesson to learn, but I have all my towels packed back in there now, losing one was plenty for sure!

X5M-ISH 05-19-2019 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purplefade (Post 1162516)
My wife...Hard lesson to learn, but I have all my towels packed back in there now, losing one was plenty for sure!

Lmao. Thatís what you get for using Ďherí towels.

Iíll tackle this project in my driveway, but will not kick it off until July or August. Until then Iíll get the parts together and try and jump in on someones elses diy to familiarize myself. Like you, the theoretical $2k can be used for other things. This thread is very helpful.

Purplefade 05-21-2019 05:22 PM

Well, Tuesday here and still no keepers.. so much for picking back up on VSS tonight. Silver lining is that I decided to go ahead and start putting the front of the engine back together, I went ahead and put on the timing covers and installed the vanos and a bunch of other little things...


I figured at least when the new keepers finally arrive I will just have the remainder of the valve stem seals to accomplish and bolt the valve covers back on.


With time on my hands I went ahead and conditioned the interior and vacuumed carpet and hatch floor, not exciting, but after winter it needed done.

Purplefade 05-23-2019 06:56 AM

So Wednesday was more productive, keepers finally got here and I was able to get much more done.

I am 26 VSS complete with only 6 left to finish! Time permitting tonight Iíll get another couple finished and may have it done this weekend!

SlickGT1 05-23-2019 08:35 AM

Friggen wow. There is a guy that supposedly does this in 1-2 days max. I mean if you put in 8 hours a day straight doing it 50 times, maybe.

Purplefade 05-23-2019 09:12 AM

If you pulled the cams you could probably do it in a couple of days but with the cams in, heck, Iíve had single valves take me 2 hours...

When I started the process I thought if I spent (worst case) an hour a valve that I could be done in a week, not just killing my self to get through it. Had I not had parts set backs and add work, that MIGHT have been possible but to all of the guys that have given me advice on my journey.... youíre WAY better off to sit back, relax, take it as it comes and just get as much done in that working session as you can.

To set goals on this job... is to fail yourself over and over again because you never know what that next valve has in store for you [emoji6]

That said, and Iíve said it before, it isnít a ďhardĒ job, itís just tedious and you really need to be focused on what you are doing.

PropellerHead 05-23-2019 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purplefade (Post 1162782)
That said, and Iíve said it before, it isnít a ďhardĒ job, itís just tedious and you really need to be focused on what you are doing.

Sativa it is then! :p:

Purplefade 05-23-2019 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PropellerHead (Post 1162783)
Sativa it is then! :p:



[emoji106]

Indica... youíd just be asleep under the hood. But youíd feel VERY GOOD about what you got accomplished [emoji16]

andrewwynn 05-23-2019 11:29 AM

26/6 = 4.333 :-)


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Purplefade 05-23-2019 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by andrewwynn (Post 1162791)
26/6 = 4.333 :-)


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The formula is actually right this time! There are no words for exactly how ecstatic I am that I only have 6 left!! If tonightís good to me I might move that number down to 3 or 4 left [emoji106]

Wish me luck, Iím aiming to have it back on the road this weekend - not sure if that will be Sat or Sun, but the goal is definitely this weekend (barring any significant issues of course).

Purplefade 05-25-2019 04:14 PM

1 left!! Wooo-Hooo!!

I struggled with the rear (firewall side) drivers valve a bit, but once I got a good angle on the camera and moved it out in front of me so that forwards was backwards, etc and everything lines up - the sucker went right on [emoji106]

Going to take a breather and then tackle the passenger side and be done with this project!

andrewwynn 05-25-2019 04:25 PM

31/1 = 31! Should feel really happy


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Purplefade 05-26-2019 01:05 AM

Oh there are no words for how happy I am - I think that I may have actually stepped back and wept just a tear as I released tension from the spring and set the last rocker arm back in place!

What an amazing sense of relief to be 32 for 32 - done!

With the holiday weekend I still have 2 days to put everything else back if I need them. I would like to have it running/driving on Monday [emoji106]

crystalworks 05-26-2019 10:18 AM

:band: :yourock: :high5: :beerchug:

Good stuff!

andrewwynn 05-26-2019 11:09 AM

Time for valve stem seals... 2005, 4.4i, 113,000 miles
 
32/0 = ∞ happy. Having replaced cam shafts and set timing a few times I think I can attest that it would be easier / faster to pull that trigger and go that route. Absolutely awesome to see the job done without removing the cams though and can't wait to hear the follow up when it's running.

Did the old seals feel like made of porcelain? I can only imagine how non rubbery.

Purplefade 05-26-2019 12:41 PM

Oh it would be totally easier to pull the cams and then reset the timing for sure... IF... I ever do VSS again I Will pull the cams, knock out the seals and be done with it!

That said, theyíre done, cams stayed in and I donít have to do the timing dance [emoji16]

My seals were total garbage, I was amazed, I touched them and chunks broke off, it was unbelievable really.

The wire retainer spring had actually cut into the seals on a handful of them and started to separate the actual seal ring from the inner body of the seal itself- I honestly feel like I caught them ďjust in timeĒ before I had chunks of seals floating around the engine....

X5only 05-26-2019 04:51 PM

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A big toast, well done:thumbup:.

andrewwynn 05-26-2019 04:56 PM

Time for valve stem seals... 2005, 4.4i, 113,000 miles
 
Excitedly waiting the confirmation of success but it's been great to be tuned into this channel.


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SlickGT1 05-27-2019 11:05 AM

Same. Waiting for the final result.

Purplefade 05-27-2019 12:00 PM

Will keep you posted on first start, heading over to grab plugs, oil and a couple hose clamps now [emoji106]

Purplefade 05-27-2019 10:40 PM

Well... it runs... but it doesnít run well. I had this same result the last time I changed coils, I am going to put the original coils back tomorrow night and I would guess it will run, guess weíll see!

Update to follow!

X5only 05-27-2019 11:42 PM

No codes?

Purplefade 05-27-2019 11:44 PM

Havenít pulled them yet, Iím sure it was misfires did the same thing last time I installed these coils... starting to think suspect coils.

Will pull codes tomorrow when I get home and go from there.

andrewwynn 05-28-2019 03:16 AM

A stored coil code will get you into limp mode. You need to clear codes if so before engine won't run like crap.

I always clear any codes before initial start after any engine rework

Purplefade 05-28-2019 09:04 AM

Shouldnít have been any codes pre-ignition, I checked and cleared everything just before I pulled the battery to start the job.

What I didnít do was recheck after reconnecting and charging the battery before I started it the first time.

That said, I primed it a few times, key on 30 seconds or so to cycle the fuel pump a few times and then it fired right up - ran pretty smooth except for that annoying miss that I think is a poorly seated coil... I bought these new, tried to use them a while back and also had issues with a miss, weird though, wouldnít follow any specific coil, cylinder or plug so I pulled them and put the old coils back - ran like a charm! Iíll pull codes and reset tonight but Iím guessing one or more of those coils may have an issue or just not be sitting on the plug right, Iíll probably end up pulling them to get it running and then doing single coil swap until I either get all of the new ones on or find a bad/suspect coil...

Fingers crossed I would like to get back to it tonight.

Purplefade 05-28-2019 07:49 PM

In spite of probably being over ďcautiousĒ with everything during reassembly... I am getting continuous misfires on 6, 8 & 3.

Sadly I have swapped coils, plugs, plugs and coils and am still getting routine misfires on those particular cylinders.

No tapping or ticking in the head, everything seems, sounds quiet, or at least like it was before.

Valve covers coming back off??

andrewwynn 05-28-2019 08:00 PM

Make sure plugs are gapped. You said you switched I'm guessing you just swapped with a cylinder that didn't have error. You could be working through some bad gas also.

Check your fuel rail pressure make sure you're holding 50 psi under load

Purplefade 05-29-2019 07:12 AM

Time for valve stem seals... 2005, 4.4i, 113,000 miles
 
I actually have 16 plugs and 16 coils so when I ran in to the first error I literally just swapped in another plug and coil [emoji16]. When the error didnít clear for that cylinder I pulled a good cylinder plug and coil and popped it in 8. After that cylinder 1, cylinder that I stole the plug and coil from, still showed ok while cylinder 8 still showed a misfire...


Checked the plugs, all gapped good and reseated the coils, still issues with 3, 6 & 8.

Also, about an hour into the diag and testing I started to get just the most faint bit of ďtickĒ from under the passenger side valve cover. Faint... but still ďtick,tick,tickĒ...

Itís not looking promising may have to pull that cover again at a minimum.

Going to go over everything one more time when I get home tonight and see what I see.

andrewwynn 05-29-2019 10:28 AM

Check your grounds on the coils. Run some injector cleaner.

Wife's car started to misfire on one then another then another. After the second coil replaced it dawned on me: in 40,000 miles never ran injector cleaner.

Used a full bottle of Lucas injector cleaner on half tank of gas. Hasn't had a misfire since.


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Purplefade 05-29-2019 10:40 AM

Grounds on coils! Good call! I had one of the valve cover ground bolts freeze on me, actually had to cut the wire and grind the bolt head off... I reset and re-solder everything- let me walk back through all that before I get back in to pulling covers...

Injector cleaner is part of my ďreligionĒ [emoji16]. I run a bottle of the stuff through each of my cars on a rolling 4 month schedule - sucker was purring like a kitten (aside from all the smoking), before I tore it apart.

Crazy thing... I triple checked each valve, seal, rocker and eccentric before I buttoned it up. I even went to the extreme of turning the engine over a full firing cycle as I finished each valve just to try and isolate any lingering issues...

I guess it comes down to ďcrap happensĒ... darn!

stiubhartach 05-29-2019 01:56 PM

Misfires are usually a coil connection problem. Sometimes the ground if it doesn't move as you move the coil. If it jumps around, it's usually the coil plug interface.



Most often it seems to be the coil rising off the plug as the engine runs. That's often from using dielectric grease on the plug. It's not needed on these connectors and will cause hem to unseat.



Quote:

With the newly-designed coil, the customary ďsnapĒ is no longer heard nor is it an indication that the coil has been properly installed. This new design does, however, provide better coil performance at the spark plug connection point, which was the area that concerned some technicians. In other words, the original design actually gripped the spark plug tip and felt more secure; whereas the new design uses a contact spring on the spark plug tip and this design may not feel like the connector is gripping the spark plug Ė but in reality it does the job just as well or better than the old design.

From the FAQ here:


https://www.boschautoparts.com/en/au...ignition-coils

andrewwynn 05-29-2019 02:23 PM

Nothing under the cover that i can think of will cause the symptoms you describe. Get some deoxit gold for your contacts.


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stiubhartach 05-29-2019 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by andrewwynn (Post 1163090)
Nothing under the cover that i can think of will cause the symptoms you describe. Get some deoxit gold for your contacts.


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Agreed. Can confirm that Deoxit is the best.

X5only 05-29-2019 02:31 PM

Unfortunately, according to Tony of AGA tool rental service, it's possible to inadvertently install the keepers upside down in a couple of valves and not notice it, especially if you're in a hurry. Everything moves and appears fine when hand cranking but upon running the engine, persistent misfires is the result.

Starting from 12th minute in his video demonstrates the issues.
https://youtu.be/-1D29BW-xbQ?t=707

andrewwynn 05-29-2019 02:39 PM

Time for valve stem seals... 2005, 4.4i, 113,000 miles
 
Very interesting about upside down keepers. It should have been very obvious like in the video if the valve stuck out a long way past the spring.

If you took photos you can verify or use the fiber optic camera on the right side through the oil fill.

Purplefade 05-29-2019 05:16 PM

I am going to go back through all of my electrical connections, coils and plugs tonight before I get in to anything else for sure.

I guess itís possible to flip a keeper but as I checked each valve I looked for a nice flush mate where the keeper touched the spring lock/cap and for very little valve stem protruding above that - I was as sure as the miss I have now that I had everything buttoned up properly.

I may play the coil game, pull them all, clean them up (again) and reinstall them randomly as my new baseline and see what that gets me. If still cylinders 3, 6 @ 8... well...

Man I REALLY HOPE itís as simple as (re)fixing the ground I clipped and making sure it has a solid contact.

Thanks for all the great ideas, I will keep you guys posted for sure.

andrewwynn 05-30-2019 02:19 PM

Did you check that the timing sensor plates were tight? There is a current threat where that plate got loose it could cause lots of misfire. Not sure how I would not affect all cylinders but the thought just crossed my mind.



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Purplefade 05-30-2019 02:30 PM

I may be on to something. Actually had some time to start to tear it back down this morning and (thankfully) before I got too far, I found a cut in the jacket on the Vanos! Pulled the harness up and directly at the bottom of the plug it looks like the wire and plug got twisted and bent/ started to break the wire right at the bottom of the plug - not enough wire left to fix it so I have ordered a new plug that should be here tomorrow.

Messing with this wire I was able to get the car to idle somewhat better, but still received misfires on 3, 6 & 8 along with an exhaust Vanos code on bank 2.

I found it pretty ironic that I received an exhaust Vanos code immediately after finding that wire. I am going to fix this first, see what affect that has and work forward from there.



Question- fixing the wire should I cut, clean and solder the new pigtail on, or is there a better way to do this that will ensure a good fix?

Purplefade 05-30-2019 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewwynn (Post 1163178)
Did you check that the timing sensor plates were tight? There is a current threat where that plate got loose it could cause lots of misfire. Not sure how I would not affect all cylinders but the thought just crossed my mind.



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Funny that you ask that, I read that thread just before I buttoned it up and I actually reached in there and made sure those were tight and clean before I dropped the valve cover on, so o think Iím good on those. Fingers crossed itís that jacked wire I found on the Vanos. Not cut all the way through but bad enough that I spotted it right away, bare copper wire...

andrewwynn 05-30-2019 05:07 PM

If you suspect vanos, first check the Realtime vanos : cam positions and then swap the vanos solinoids and see if you get a problem to migrate. Then, you can also swap the cam position sensors. I've helped numerous cases where right after reassembly had to replace the CPS. Also: check on the knock sensors becuase if the car misinterprets them it will cause all sort of havoc.

Still feels like a wiring problem to me I think you are 95%

X5only 06-01-2019 08:40 PM

Purplefade, you did verify the engine timing before closing up, right? It's a critical step. That's the very last thing I did before putting back the valve covers. It takes like 10 minutes.

andrewwynn 06-01-2019 08:49 PM

I don't think he had the timing tools as he did the cams in place seal Replacement.


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X5M-ISH 06-01-2019 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewwynn (Post 1163345)
I don't think he had the timing tools as he did the cams in place seal Replacement.

Then if that is the case, there can also be issues if the actual VANOSí are not seated into the front of the engine properly. In many cases of the time the installer gets the o-ring slightly pinched causing the VANOS to sit a few mm slightly off center and/or slightly too deep into the engine.

Purplefade 06-01-2019 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by X5only (Post 1163341)
Purplefade, you did verify the engine timing before closing up, right? It's a critical step. That's the very last thing I did before putting back the valve covers. It takes like 10 minutes.



Was the very last thing I did before buttoning up, actually checked it, got called for dinner, came back out and checked it again... not thinking.

Purplefade 06-01-2019 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by X5M-ISH (Post 1163348)
Then if that is the case, there can also be issues if the actual VANOSí are not seated into the front of the engine properly. In many cases of the time the installer gets the o-ring slightly pinched causing the VANOS to sit a few mm slightly off center and/or slightly too deep into the engine.



I double and triple checked those bad boys, actually had them out a couple more times to swap banks and try to isolate the problem. No love there that I found ☹️

SlickGT1 07-02-2019 04:44 PM

Purple, do you by any chance have a part list of what you ordered? I am putting together a part list, planning on getting this done at the end of the summer.



I seem to have developed an valve cover leak, so I'm thinking might as well go in deep.

Purplefade 07-02-2019 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SlickGT1 (Post 1165205)
Purple, do you by any chance have a part list of what you ordered? I am putting together a part list, planning on getting this done at the end of the summer.



I seem to have developed an valve cover leak, so I'm thinking might as well go in deep.


Oh brother I feel your pain, good luck with that and let me know if you need anything.




Valve Stem Seal Replacement WITHOUT Upper Timing Covers:

Valve Stem Seal Kit - 1134029751 (x2)
Valve Cover Gasket Left - 11127513195 (x1)
Valve Cover Gasket Right - 11127513194 (x1)
Cam Position Sensor O-Ring Ė 12141748398 (x4)

Eccentric Shaft Sensor Gasket Ė 11127518420 (x2)
Valvetronic Actuator Seal O-Ring - 07119903596 (x2) (This is the small o-ring between the actuator and the actuator mount)

The valvetronic actuator mount gasket (actuator mount to valve cover) comes with the valve cover gasket set and is the ďfatĒ o-ring style gasket in that kit.)
Some RTV Red or other good gasket maker.

NOTE: - When installing the valve cover gasket put a few small dabs of gasket maker into the gasket channel on the vc and set the gasket in place, let it dry for maybe 20 minutes or so until the gasket maker holds the gasket in place Ė it makes it so much easier to get the vcre-installed when you know the gasket is (probably) going to stay in place.


Valve Stem Seals WITH Upper Timing Covers:

Upper Timing Cover Gasket Right Ė 11147506424 (x1)
Upper Timing Cover Gasket Left Ė 11147506425 (x1)
Vanos Solenoid O-Ring (Large) Ė 11367513222 (x4)
Vanos Solenoid O-Ring (Small) Ė 11367546379 (x4)


If you just want to make some extra room for yourself while youíre working in the area:

Throttle Body O-Ring Ė 13547510433 (x1)
(Removing the tb just makes access to the harness and everything that much easier.)

NOTE: - When doing the timing covers you will notice a small gasket lip extending above the level of the timing cover and head Ė BEFORE installing the valve cover gasket, use a razorblade and cut that excess gasket material off level with the timing cover and head. I also used a small amount of RTV Red on this area just to reassure myself..

SlickGT1 07-02-2019 06:18 PM

Wow that was quick. Ty.



Do you have the part number for the keepers? I know myself, and I know I should buy about 20 spares. lol


Hows the SAV running after the big surgery?


Oh and the tool. Care to sell me yours?

Purplefade 07-02-2019 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SlickGT1 (Post 1165208)
Wow that was quick. Ty.



Do you have the part number for the keepers? I know myself, and I know I should buy about 20 spares. lol


Hows the SAV running after the big surgery?


Oh and the tool. Care to sell me yours?




Keepers are - 11341461405


And oh man am I super happy with the end result! - NO MORE SMOKE - want to watch netflix with the ac running at lunch, go ahead! Want to let it idle while you make eggs on the intake, go ahead! Feel like pissing everyone off behind you by sitting through two red light cycles, go ahead!


NO MORE SMOKE :rofl:


I absolutely love it - but wait - there's more!


As a side affect of replacing everything I remedied all of my oil leaks as well!! Whoot - Whoot!!


Tool unfortunately wasn't mine, I was able to borrow it from a fellow enthusiast myself, I'm actually packing things up now to ship back. That said, I would start a thread "Looking for AGA Tool" and see what pops up.

Purplefade 07-02-2019 09:36 PM

Sadly I just realized that I have never closed this thread out! Man I feel like an ass... I promised I would keep things in sync, let me grab the close out from my last thread and I will get this updated.


In a nutshell, I had everything back together but couldn't get it to idle - after EXTENSIVE diagnostic work I ended up taking it to my Indy only to find out that I had somehow swapped the vanos plugs on bank 2... he swapped them back (correctly) and the sucker ran like a beast!


OH - and the BEST PART - NO MORE SMOKE!!

amancuso 07-02-2019 09:38 PM

Great thread! I'll be doing this in the fall on my 4.8is. Already changed the upper timing chain gasket and unfortunately the valve cover gaskets are less than one year old. Saw the parts list, but what tools are needed and where to buy? I apologize but it was hard to get the exact information.

Purplefade 07-02-2019 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by amancuso (Post 1165216)
Great thread! I'll be doing this in the fall on my 4.8is. Already changed the upper timing chain gasket and unfortunately the valve cover gaskets are less than one year old. Saw the parts list, but what tools are needed and where to buy? I apologize but it was hard to get the exact information.



Hi amancuso for tools, the item that you really need is the AGA Tool for BMW, sucker is pricey, about $900 but I think still available and there was another tool by Speed Works I believe it was, great tool, considerably less expensive than the AGA tool at I think $350 ish, but sadly doesnít seem to be available any longer.

Aside from that as the primary ďtoolĒ, youíll need a selection of extra long needle nose pliers, full metric socket set 1/4 through 1/2 inch drive for disassembly and assembly, I used everything from 6mm through 27mm on the job with a huge assortment of what I call male and femal torx sockets as well. Magnetic pickup tool, metric wrenches 6mm through 15mm I think I used and a BUNCH OF LIGHT [emoji106]

Best place to buy AGA or Speed Works is online and if you have a Harbor Freight close, grab everything else there or a local hardware store.

If youíve already done upper timing gaskets you can tackle the VSS [emoji106]. Itís a pain in the ass for sure but ďfulfillingĒ when your finished [emoji16]


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SlickGT1 07-03-2019 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purplefade (Post 1165214)
Keepers are - 11341461405


And oh man am I super happy with the end result! - NO MORE SMOKE - want to watch netflix with the ac running at lunch, go ahead! Want to let it idle while you make eggs on the intake, go ahead! Feel like pissing everyone off behind you by sitting through two red light cycles, go ahead!


NO MORE SMOKE :rofl:


I absolutely love it - but wait - there's more!


As a side affect of replacing everything I remedied all of my oil leaks as well!! Whoot - Whoot!!


Tool unfortunately wasn't mine, I was able to borrow it from a fellow enthusiast myself, I'm actually packing things up now to ship back. That said, I would start a thread "Looking for AGA Tool" and see what pops up.


Lol. I am not at the "smoking a cloud" stage yet. So I won't get the same effect as you. I hope I never get to that stage before doing this job. But the oil leak annoying. I made a shopping cart in FCP with all the parts, and it looks like $450 gets me all the parts for this job. I may even buy the tool. Ty again.

amancuso 07-03-2019 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SlickGT1 (Post 1165250)
Lol. I am not at the "smoking a cloud" stage yet. So I won't get the same effect as you. I hope I never get to that stage before doing this job. But the oil leak annoying. I made a shopping cart in FCP with all the parts, and it looks like $450 gets me all the parts for this job. I may even buy the tool. Ty again.

The price of the tool hurts. about 900.00

Purplefade 07-03-2019 03:05 PM

Yes, the AGA tool is very pricey for sure. IF... you can find it, the Speed Work version is nearly the same tool for just about 1/3 the price...

That said, I canít find it available for sale anywhere anymore unfortunately.


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Purplefade 07-03-2019 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SlickGT1 (Post 1165250)
Lol. I am not at the "smoking a cloud" stage yet. So I won't get the same effect as you. I hope I never get to that stage before doing this job. But the oil leak annoying. I made a shopping cart in FCP with all the parts, and it looks like $450 gets me all the parts for this job. I may even buy the tool. Ty again.



That sounds about right, I had a credit with FCP and I spent about $370 with everything I did to mine, including the vacuum pump rebuild kit from Dorman.

I thought about buying the tool also but before I had a real chance to investigate I was able to borrow the kit. Check with your Indy, mine was open to the idea of allowing me to rent his AGA kit, but he wanted it back faster than I felt I could do the job.


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Purplefade 07-04-2019 12:12 AM

Oh, Slick, amancuso - for what it's worth, I installed about half of the keepers with a small dot of bearing grease on either my index or middle finger, whichever reached the best. I found this SIGNIFICANTLY easier than actually using the keeper installation tool on many of the valves.


I reached in and approximated where the valve keeper grooves met the tip of my finger (area on the tip of my finger and the angle, if that makes sense), applied a small dot of bearing grease, stuck the valve keeper to the tip of my finger and reached back in and stuck it on the valve. Once you have the keeper pressed against the valve just "slide" up on your finger and the keeper will stay in the grooves.


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