I literally just said"phucking wow" in public by mistake after reading this. But this is the norm for a lot of ppl

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Valid points for sure. But even simple coverage for an unmarried male under 25 years old is exorbitant. When I was 22 I had a 2001 mustang GT and paid more in insurance than the car payment. $500+/MO! For 3 years! I know that's a sports car... but before that I had a few older BMW's '83 5 series and '92 3 series and it was still expensive. A bit cheaper because those were still on my parent's policy, but I remember being glad they were paying it for me. :D When I got the mustang... they said I was responsible for insuring it. :bustingup

Not sure if the 4.6/4.8 will hit collectible status in our lifetimes. Might not even hit real enthusiast status. I can't think of an SUV that really has. :dunno:

I think I found the eBay listing. I will offer this.... this listing is not enticing at all. As someone who has bought a car on eBay previously, I want a few paragraphs telling me about the vehicle, its history, its issues, its good/bad points, etc. This listing just gives the basics along with a few pictures. Perhaps its a temporary problem, but the "big" pictures are just a big black column when I looked at it a few minutes ago.

I buy on eBay frequently and sell a little also, and IMHO, your ad isn't helping you any. I've definitely seen worse, but I've seen much better.

Lastly, Florida is probably not a great location to be selling this vehicle. We have TONS of X5's here in the Rockies. I would drive something else if I lived in FL.

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^All the pictures show up for me in Firefox. It does look like a nice, clean example of a 4.8is. Problem most 4.8is buyers have is that it's at a dealer, and one that has questionable reviews. Again, I don't know them from Adam so they could be completely unwarranted. It just doesn't look great to a potential buyer of a 4.8 in particular. No "warm and fuzzies" if you will.

Couple that with the various parts/systems that like to see failures around the 132,000 listed mileage, and you get a 4.8 that sits around on the lot. That's just the current situation of the 4.8 market. 4.4's and 3.0's sell all day long at "buy here, pay here" lots because the buyers don't have options. They then get repo'd when the failures start to overwhelm the owner and they stop paying on the truck. :dunno:

One only need look at accident rates for males under 25 to understand why the insurance rates are so high. They crash cars at a ridiculous rate. Chalk it up to testosterone poisoning.

Wow I hope I don’t have too hard of a time selling my estoril blue 4.6 when I’m ready :dunno:

The clothing business is suffering the same from the rise of clothing rentals among the millennials and is worth $2 billion +. Why fill up the wardrobe with clothes you wear a few times a year when you can rent the same for a few? They're delivered right at your door and smell and feel like new but won by a few others.

WTF? I'm not wearing clothes some stranger wore. Yuck.

Agreed. :yikes:

Oh for sure, I wasn't taking the position that young men shouldn't be charged more. Just maybe not that much more. Was just illustrating the point that insuring a young driver is expensive and adds to the cost of owning/operating a vehicle. Especially a fun one.

At 28 years old I leased a civic and my insurance was more then car payment. That’s with clean record and a safety course as well as being licensed to drive since 17 years old. This just gives companies excuse to rip you off as much as they can. As far as his ad, it’s not presented well or even to the right audience on top of being sold by a dealer.