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aureliusmax 03-07-2020 10:23 PM

5HP24 no 1-2-3 no change after valve body replaced
 
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I was reading some existing threads here that closely followed my symptoms as I was experiencing intermittent loss of 1-2-3 gears. This issue started after I was doing some spirited driving in manual mode and would come and go intermittently with a ignition power cycle. When the symptom appears, 1-2-3 has no drive torque. Not slipping per say, as there is no drive engagement. When shifting into Drive, I got neutral, and once throttle input engine speed goes passed the specified maximum engine speed without wheel movement, transmission failsafe mode is engaged which shifts immediately into 4 gear, I can see it when I select manual mode. Intermittently when cold started, I had 1,2,3 gear normal shifting without any issue. Over time intermittent became permanent loss of 1-2-3 gears. And before losing the first 3 gears intermittently I was experiencing intermittent signal loss from the gear select module where I could not select between drive and reverse after starting up. There would be no square selected around either PRND. I replaced the shift select module and this issue did not return. After replacing my fluid, filter and a new valve body, I went for a test drive, and had all the gears as normal. Once I started to boot on it I lost the 1-2-3 gears and speed failsafe mode engaged. After this event, I could not get the 1-2-3 gears back even after a cold start. The torque converter is strong and there's nothing showing an issue with brake on stall speed tests. You can see it on the video when I test reverse and drive mode. Early in the video you can see after selecting 1 the engine revs up and then transmission goes to failsafe and shifts to 4, it then went to 5 just because I selected that gear with the shifter.
video
https://photos.app.goo.gl/cgyfTHUPdrPhUMft5

I decided to order and install a new rebuilt valve body and perform a service. I used AMS automatic transmission signature series oil, and new replacement filter.
Parts List:
Valve body, rebuilt, revmax V5HP24D
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Filter, PA CARGO 114710
https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo...=1411737&jsn=1
Transmission oil, AMS ATFPK
https://www.amsoil.com/p/signature-s...ion-fluid-atf/

I was really disappointed in the quality of the RevMax valve body - there was a critical and obvious flaw on re-assembly the technicians and quality checking persons didn't notice see attached photo. Furthermore ordering the part from the revmax website did not work and I could not complete their stupid forms to make my order without getting an error, so I had to order the valve body from amazon. I didn't notice the flaw on the manual selector spool valve either until I was on the final assembly stages after I had bolted it on the transmission. The spool valve to select the gears was not installed correctly so it could not connect to the driven cable from the shifter.

Things I have done that follow what others suggested here based on searching for symptoms.
Issue with No box around the PNRD, failsafe. CHanged the gear select module with part https://www.ecstuning.com/b-genuine-...h/24107512755/
And this particular symptom has not returned. Removed and inspected transmission harness connector, there is no corrosion on any pins.
Replaced the valve body, fluid, filter.

relevant codes from ista-D
0x00003B EGS: Stall speed
0x00008D IKE: EGS signal line disturbed
DME/DDE
- 0xDC (220)
DME: CAN timeout, electronic transmission management (EGS/AGS)

DSC
- 0x3A (58)
DSC: No message from EGS control unit

EGS
- 0x4 (4)
EGS: Pressure actuator EDS 4
- 0x1 (1)
EGS: Pressure actuator EDS 1
- 0x12 (18)
EGS: Solenoid valve 3
- 0x11 (17)
EGS: Solenoid valve 2
- 0x10 (16)
EGS: Solenoid valve 1

KOMBI
- 0xFB (251)
IKE: No CAN identification (EGS)
- 0x8D (141)
IKE: EGS signal line disturbed


attachments;
old valve body
rebuilt valve body
rebuilt valve body flaw i had to correct

andrewwynn 03-07-2020 10:26 PM

The error literally says there's a problem with the communication line. I would try to trace the loom top to bottom, start with the top side connector sounds like you checked there bottom side connector

aureliusmax 03-07-2020 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewwynn (Post 1179193)
The error literally says there's a problem with the communication line. I would try to trace the loom top to bottom, start with the top side connector sounds like you checked there bottom side connector

then why does this code only happen after the symptoms appear, seems like its the IKE module complaining that a selected gear doesn't engage when selected.
i only get failsafe and these two codes after the transmission is well warmed up. doesn't seem like an electrical issue to me at this point. however im open to being wrong.

andrewwynn 03-07-2020 10:51 PM

I think you have symptom and cause backwards.

The odd behavior happens after the TCU loses track of what the transmission is doing and goes into failsafe. It is reporting that the control line is unstable (can be from noise on the line or a short somewhere etc.

aureliusmax 03-07-2020 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewwynn (Post 1179198)
I think you have symptom and cause backwards.

The odd behavior happens after the TCU loses track of what the transmission is doing and goes into failsafe. It is reporting that the control line is unstable (can be from noise on the line or a short somewhere etc.

I will perform a continuity test from the ends of the transmission control harness to the computer, and if each result is less than 1 ohm, then what - would there be any weight to the issue being related to transmission oil temperature or not

andrewwynn 03-07-2020 11:15 PM

5HP24 no 1-2-3 no change after valve body replaced
 
The temp of the trans oil may be a coincidence. Hot electronic will fail just like you describe.

I missed if you have V8: if so look into your ebox cooling fan.

Continuity unfortunately doesn't mean much on communication lines. Noise from other paralel lines etc cause problems

I have read a few threads where the fix for similar headache was replacing the transmission wiring harness

aureliusmax 03-08-2020 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewwynn (Post 1179203)
The temp of the trans oil may be a coincidence. Hot electronic will fail just like you describe.

I missed if you have V8: if so look into your ebox cooling fan.

Continuity unfortunately doesn't mean much on communication lines. Noise from other paralel lines etc cause problems

I have read a few threads where the fix for similar headache was replacing the transmission wiring harness

Just completed a resistance check of the transmission harness. No problems. No corroded pins. The jacket on the harness has no abrasion or damage. I can even go further and test the resistance of all the solenoids, temp sensor, and everything else from the connector in the ebox. Because now I have a new code after my test was performed;
0x000010 EGS: Solenoid valve 1

upallnight 03-08-2020 12:57 AM

I would say that you have a broken or crack drum or a torn o-ring. The fluid pressure can be obtained when the fluid is cold and thick, but as the fluid warms up it loses its viscosity and can no longer maintain the fluid pressure due to the fluid leaking pass the crack drum or o-ring for the trans to operate correctly. A rebuild is in your future if you want to keep the X.

andrewwynn 03-08-2020 01:04 AM

that last one is a good idea. Maybe you can determine a particular temp it happens. If you can cool the ebox (Ice Inna Ziploc) to keep it cooler and error doesn't happen, you can home in on the defect

andrewwynn 03-08-2020 01:12 AM

I was able to open up my TCU to check for bad solder joints etc. I may have had to drill out rivets but was easy to do. I had signs of corrosion so I wanted to look inside and clean it.

aureliusmax 03-08-2020 01:20 AM

this is weird. measuring from the blue connector terminal at the transmission ECU, I have good resistance on these solenoids
MV1 pin 38,21 30.8 ohm
MV2 pin 26,21 29.5
MV3 pin 16,21 30.2

if I'm getting codes for electrical faults, and the wiring and resistances are good down the harness to each of the solenoid valves, the likelyhood of a failing module is higer.

upallnight 03-08-2020 01:22 AM

Video on a blown drum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQxnRuA-Ako

andrewwynn 03-08-2020 01:24 AM

which I suspect is temperature dependent so the idea of a temp logger is a very good one. Clear the codes and start when cold. Drive until it faults and see what temp. Then cool the ebox with maybe a cool pack or just leaving the lid off. I've had many many cases of computers iPhones and iPads freak out when hot.

aureliusmax 03-08-2020 01:34 AM

Fault memory

SGBD BNTN code Description Vehicle mileage Is currently present?
GS8602 --- 0x000001 EGS: Pressure actuator EDS 1 --- Unknown
GS8602 --- 0x000004 EGS: Pressure actuator EDS 4 --- Unknown
GS8602 --- 0x000010 EGS: Solenoid valve 1 --- Unknown
GS8602 --- 0x000011 EGS: Solenoid valve 2 --- Unknown
GS8602 --- 0x000012 EGS: Solenoid valve 3 --- Unknown
IKI --- 0x00008D IKE: EGS signal line disturbed --- Unknown

its acting like not even connected

as an experiment, i disconnected the 40 pins connector and ran test again
Fault memory

SGBD BNTN code Description Vehicle mileage Is currently present?
DSC57 --- 0x00003A DSC: No message from EGS control unit --- Unknown
GS8602 --- 0x000001 EGS: Pressure actuator EDS 1 --- Unknown
GS8602 --- 0x000004 EGS: Pressure actuator EDS 4 --- Unknown
GS8602 --- 0x000010 EGS: Solenoid valve 1 --- Unknown
GS8602 --- 0x000011 EGS: Solenoid valve 2 --- Unknown
GS8602 --- 0x000012 EGS: Solenoid valve 3 --- Unknown
IKI --- 0x00008D IKE: EGS signal line disturbed --- Unknown
IKI --- 0x0000FB IKE: No CAN identification (EGS) --- Unknown
ME72KWP1 --- 0x0000DC DME: CAN timeout, electronic transmission management (EGS/AGS) 65526 Unknown

And reconnected the 40 pin connector at the transmission controller, then checked and re connected the 16 pin connector at the transmission.
cleared and checked again for codes.

GS8602 --- 0x000001 EGS: Pressure actuator EDS 1 --- Unknown
GS8602 --- 0x000004 EGS: Pressure actuator EDS 4 --- Unknown
GS8602 --- 0x000010 EGS: Solenoid valve 1 --- Unknown
GS8602 --- 0x000011 EGS: Solenoid valve 2 --- Unknown
GS8602 --- 0x000012 EGS: Solenoid valve 3 --- Unknown
IKI --- 0x00008D IKE: EGS signal line disturbed --- Unknown

Measuring resistance of EDS 1 and 4 as per the fault codes; from the 40 pin connector at Transmission Control Module.

EDS1 pin 28,21 7.2 ohm
EDS2 7,21 6.5 ohm

and, from a step above

MV1 pin 38,21 30.8 ohm
MV2 pin 26,21 29.5
MV3 pin 16,21 30.2

aureliusmax 03-08-2020 02:08 AM

Determined from a 'RRPhil' diagram
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...66870195a0.jpg
from another forum the commonality between MV1,MV2,MV3 and EDS1,EDS4 is a power source from the TCM pin 21 which I was not getting any voltage from, as it measured at 0V. I applied a jumper wire with Battery voltage to pin 21, deleted and retested for codes, I got a new set of faults;

Fault memory

SGBD BNTN code Description Vehicle mileage Is currently present?
GS8602 --- 0x000010 EGS: Solenoid valve 1 --- Unknown
GS8602 --- 0x000053 EGS: ECU internal fault 4 (FET) --- Unknown
IKI --- 0x00008D IKE: EGS signal line disturbed --- Unknown
ME72KWP1 --- 0x0000DC DME: CAN timeout, electronic transmission management (EGS/AGS) 65526 Unknown

Removing the jumper, deleting and testing codes again;

Fault memory
SGBD BNTN code Description Vehicle mileage Is currently present?
GS8602 --- 0x000001 EGS: Pressure actuator EDS 1 --- Unknown
GS8602 --- 0x000004 EGS: Pressure actuator EDS 4 --- Unknown
GS8602 --- 0x000010 EGS: Solenoid valve 1 --- Unknown
GS8602 --- 0x000011 EGS: Solenoid valve 2 --- Unknown
GS8602 --- 0x000012 EGS: Solenoid valve 3 --- Unknown
IKI --- 0x00008D IKE: EGS signal line disturbed --- Unknown

Seems like the fault is in the transmission control module.
Now what ? :dunno:

andrewwynn 03-08-2020 02:54 AM

I would take a good look at the solder joints inside the TCU.

aureliusmax 03-08-2020 04:29 PM

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The next day, continue, cold operation;

GS8602 --- 0x000001 EGS: Pressure actuator EDS 1 --- Unknown
GS8602 --- 0x000004 EGS: Pressure actuator EDS 4 --- Unknown
GS8602 --- 0x000010 EGS: Solenoid valve 1 --- Unknown
GS8602 --- 0x000011 EGS: Solenoid valve 2 --- Unknown
GS8602 --- 0x000012 EGS: Solenoid valve 3 --- Unknown
IKI --- 0x00008D IKE: EGS signal line disturbed --- Unknown


after delete fault mem and rescan

GS8602 --- 0x000010 EGS: Solenoid valve 1 --- Unknown
GS8602 --- 0x000012 EGS: Solenoid valve 3 --- Unknown
IKI --- 0x00008D IKE: EGS signal line disturbed --- Unknown


remove and inspect the Printed Circuit Board for the Transmission control module

Found a possible over current / shorted trace internal to the multi-layer circuit board, with some damage visible from the top side.
cleaned both sides of board with deoxidizer, brakeclean. hot-aired the connector pin solder points on the back of the board.

reinstall, clear codes, scan again
GS8602 --- 0x000010 EGS: Solenoid valve 1 --- Unknown
IKI --- 0x00008D IKE: EGS signal line disturbed --- Unknown

at this point based on my troubleshooting and what I have observed I am satisfied that the issue has been isolated to the control module having failed.




My next question to the community is;
used modules from ebay - since I have never replaced bmw modules before. can I take a used module from the 4.4 engine with 2003 year and install this, any special procedures ?

attachments;
damage/corrosion on PCB before and after cleaning
corrosion found on dme connector

andrewwynn 03-08-2020 05:43 PM

DME is paired. I don't recall the TCU needing coding but somebody hopefully will follow up. .

The damage you show is in inline with what I was prepared to see based on your errors. Can you see where there damaged trace/s go to put a jumper around them?

upallnight 03-08-2020 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewwynn (Post 1179227)
DME is paired. I don't recall the TCU needing coding but somebody hopefully will follow up. .

The damage you show is in inline with what I was prepared to see based on your errors. Can you see where there damaged trace/s go to put a jumper around them?

TCU ????

The trans module is an EGS module. Why would you want to pair the Bluetooth module?

andrewwynn 03-08-2020 09:33 PM

5HP24 no 1-2-3 no change after valve body replaced
 
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...fafd310097.jpg

I used the generic term because I speak English. I often call the DME the ECU also.

aureliusmax 03-08-2020 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewwynn (Post 1179227)
DME is paired. I don't recall the TCU needing coding but somebody hopefully will follow up. .

The damage you show is in inline with what I was prepared to see based on your errors. Can you see where there damaged trace/s go to put a jumper around them?

Nope. The damage is on the traces on the centre layer of PCB. after cleaning up the surface, I could see where the 'smoke' came out of it. Theres no point of attempting a repair because if one of the transistors shorted out, this break in the traces caused by over current protected the wiring/circuits further up the chain and would just open again. Very well could have been caused by a malfunctioning solenoid in the existing valve body, or just wear and tear over time.

andrewwynn 03-08-2020 11:43 PM

I hate when the magic smoke comes out of something. Yeah repair of inner layer traces is next level. Keep us updated it will be very helpful to know if programming the module is required.

aureliusmax 03-09-2020 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewwynn (Post 1179241)
I hate when the magic smoke comes out of something. Yeah repair of inner layer traces is next level. Keep us updated it will be very helpful to know if programming the module is required.

I matched the first two serial numbers
0 260 002 812
7 512 653
on the bosch sticker to an item on ebay with a 6 month warranty. The price of $26.99 can't be beat.
Hopefully can test it out next weekend. I will be able to program it with ISTA-P if required.

wpoll 03-09-2020 12:41 AM

And see if you can figure out WHY the smoke leaked out. If there's a fault in the loom etc. then you'll fry the new EGS module when you fire it up, you could end up with a matching pair of dead EGS modules. :(

andrewwynn 03-09-2020 12:42 AM

Looked like water ingress. I thought I saw copper corrosion


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wpoll 03-09-2020 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewwynn (Post 1179244)
Looked like water ingress. I thought I saw copper corrosion


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Verdigris - yep. :thumbup:

Just so long as that is all it was. I suppose if it gets bad enough, verdigris can cause quite large fault currents... hence the smoke...

aureliusmax 03-09-2020 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wpoll (Post 1179243)
And see if you can figure out WHY the smoke leaked out. If there's a fault in the loom etc. then you'll fry the new EGS module when you fire it up, you could end up with a matching pair of dead EGS modules. :(

Not a chance. If you carefully read my posts you would have seen the data that shows there's no faults where you're looking.

andrewwynn - there's no corrosion you're seeing. after cleaning that off, i could see the split in the PCB where the 'smoke' left that scale. There's no sign at all of water ingress on that module.

upallnight 03-09-2020 06:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewwynn (Post 1179238)
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...fafd310097.jpg

I used the generic term because I speak English. I often call the DME the ECU also.

I think that there will be less confusion if the term used by BMW is used in the reply.

andrewwynn 03-09-2020 11:16 AM

Is the blown trace in pin 21? You said it had no power and seems to run everything. Maybe a short on the old valve body sucked out the smoke.

upallnight 03-09-2020 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewwynn (Post 1179238)
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...fafd310097.jpg

I used the generic term because I speak English. I often call the DME the ECU also.

TCU in "BMW language" means the Telematic Control Unit. The Telematic Control Unit is completely different from the Electronic Gear Shift (EGS) module
in a BMW.

https://www.youcanic.com/wiki/bmw-tc...c-control-unit

andrewwynn 03-09-2020 05:39 PM

Good to know. I can see how it could be confusing. You can clearly see however that by context there was no confusion between myself and the OP who opened up his egs and took pictures after quoting back my mention of tcu v. EGS

aureliusmax 03-13-2020 03:46 PM

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Got emailed back my used transmission oil sample results. There was so much iron and copper content that the lab could not perform some tests. A screenshot is attached.

ELEVATED IRON MAY BE SOURCED TO BEARINGS; GEARS; SPLINES; SHAFTS; HOUSING; NON-MECHANICAL ORIGIN. UNABLE TO TEST
FOR PARTICLE COUNT (ISO CODE) DUE TO EXCESS PARTICULATE. OTHER READINGS APPEAR TO BE NORMAL. CHANGE OIL.
RESAMPLE TO MONITOR.
Iron 585
Copper 952

After a month of use I will re-sample the new oil, to determine if the new filter and existing mix left-over in the cooler and torque converter will become back to acceptable levels.

aureliusmax 03-15-2020 11:54 PM

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installed replacement EGS controller. scan before clearing codes

GS8602 --- 0x000001 EGS: Pressure actuator EDS 1 --- Unknown
GS8602 --- 0x000004 EGS: Pressure actuator EDS 4 --- Unknown
GS8602 --- 0x000011 EGS: Solenoid valve 2 --- Unknown
GS8602 --- 0x000012 EGS: Solenoid valve 3 --- Unknown
GS8602 --- 0x000030 EGS: Converter lockup clutch, excessive slip --- Unknown
IKI --- 0x00008D IKE: EGS signal line disturbed --- Unknown


after clear codes

no change.
use ista/p to reprogram egs.

The fault memory must be deleted again for fault handling.
Delete the fault memory again?

DME/DDE
- 0xDC (220)
DME: CAN timeout, electronic transmission management (EGS/AGS)

DSC
- 0x3A (58)
DSC: No message from EGS control unit

EGS
- 0x4 (4)
EGS: Pressure actuator EDS 4
- 0x1 (1)
EGS: Pressure actuator EDS 1
- 0x12 (18)
EGS: Solenoid valve 3
- 0x11 (17)
EGS: Solenoid valve 2
- 0x10 (16)
EGS: Solenoid valve 1

KOMBI
- 0xFB (251)
IKE: No CAN identification (EGS)
- 0x8D (141)
IKE: EGS signal line disturbed


AND cleared again... successfull !
Finished programming.

Test and re-scan

GS8602 --- 0x000001 EGS: Pressure actuator EDS 1 --- Unknown
GS8602 --- 0x000004 EGS: Pressure actuator EDS 4 --- Unknown
GS8602 --- 0x000010 EGS: Solenoid valve 1 --- Unknown
GS8602 --- 0x000011 EGS: Solenoid valve 2 --- Unknown
GS8602 --- 0x000012 EGS: Solenoid valve 3 --- Unknown
IKI --- 0x00008D IKE: EGS signal line disturbed --- Unknown


Not sure what's going on now. Any thoughts ?

I have no voltage output on pin 21 from the EGS.
I took out the case from the replacement EGS module, and there was no damage like the previous part installed. It's almost like the transistor to output on pin 21 has a signal to turn off.

I rechecked the resistances from the EGS harness from pin 21 to 38,28,26,16,7 and had 29 ohms on the MV's and 7 ohms on the EDS's.

checked the other other three EDS' powered from pin 11, good. tested the temp sensor, and both speed sensors none were shorted either.

And then I tested the main power connector the the EGS and pin 1,3 were B+ voltage
4,5,6 ground
7,8,9 B+

Anyone seen RRPhil ? The transmission guy. He shut down private messages and I can't get in contact . I looked at this bimmerforums thread but the OP said he changed the transmission controller and the problem got fixed. https://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/s...fail-safe-mode

UPdate; found a clear pin-out chart from
https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/e...ontrol/Z4AE08C
Which I will be using to continue the work next weekend.

attachments;
diagram of solenoids.
serial of egs module
inspection of replacement egs.
printed resistance checks

aureliusmax 03-19-2020 02:35 PM

bump, what happened to RRPhil I'm trying to get in contact but he's disabled the messages

crystalworks 03-19-2020 04:15 PM

He runs a business and I'm sure is pretty busy. Couple that with the T-Virus causing the zombie apocalypse and I assume he has a lot going on. ;)

aureliusmax 03-19-2020 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crystalworks (Post 1179808)
He runs a business and I'm sure is pretty busy. Couple that with the T-Virus causing the zombie apocalypse and I assume he has a lot going on. ;)

He closed / retired from his business in 2019.
https://www.fullfatrr.com/forum/post529069.html#529069

crystalworks 03-19-2020 04:53 PM

I don't know then. That retirement post is from 2017... and was his last post there. I guess he does not post on forums very often then? Not much online about his company but his home page is still up (no links on it though). Last FB page post for the business was June of '19.

At any rate, hope he's okay.

andrewwynn 03-19-2020 06:37 PM

5HP24 no 1-2-3 no change after valve body replaced
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aureliusmax (Post 1179797)
bump, what happened to RRPhil I'm trying to get in contact but he's disabled the messages



He posts regularly to xo on transmission threads. You just have to post an interesting enough question to catch his eye.

RRPhil 03-20-2020 05:05 AM

In the light of your oil sample test results, I think you should first attempt to establish if you have a mechanical/hydraulic fault with your transmission, for example with the A clutch.

Your 5HP24ís hydraulic system was designed in such a way that, in the event of complete electrical/electronic failure (i.e. none of the solenoids working), it engages 4th gear (A & B clutches applied) when D is selected and reverse gear (C & F clutches applied) when R is selected.

To try to simulate this failure you can temporarily disconnect the 16-pin connector at the rear of the transmission.

Could you maybe try this and report back whether or not your E53 successfully pulls away in 4th gear? This would tell us if the A clutch is still functioning.

While youíre under there, could you also make a note of the transmissionís serial number from the green i/d plate rivetted to the LH side of the maincase, adjacent to the 16-pin connector?

https://i260.photobucket.com/albums/...psa16eca2b.jpg

Phil

aureliusmax 03-20-2020 05:28 AM

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Hi Phil, thanks for popping into this discussion. I noticed your setting to accept private messages was off :dunno:

As per the above, I'm not getting power to my solenoids due to no voltage off pin 21, therefore I have 4 gear as the only option in forwards. I have made some measurements and tests with and without the 16 pin connector plugged, as noted in my previous posts. I can entertain the driven test with the connector unplugged, but I can say with confidence I will have the same result as what I'm experiencing now. Attached is the serial plate.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RRPhil
In the light of your oil sample test results, I think you should first attempt to establish if you have a mechanical/hydraulic fault with your transmission, for example with the A clutch.

Your 5HP24ís hydraulic system was designed in such a way that, in the event of complete electrical/electronic failure (i.e. none of the solenoids working), it engages 4th gear (A & B clutches applied) when D is selected and reverse gear (C & F clutches applied) when R is selected.

To try to simulate this failure you can temporarily disconnect the 16-pin connector at the rear of the transmission.

Could you maybe try this and report back whether or not your E53 successfully pulls away in 4th gear? This would tell us if the A clutch is still functioning.

While youíre under there, could you also make a note of the transmissionís serial number from the green i/d plate rivetted to the LH side of the maincase, adjacent to the 16-pin connector?


RRPhil 03-20-2020 01:46 PM

Your transmission came off the production line on 16 October 2002 so it had all the final development fixes, including the stiffened A-clutch drum. Iíve just been looking through your post from the beginning. Although I realise this isnít the main issue under discussion here, from the photo in your first post that looks like a 328 valve body assembly that you fitted as a replacement? Can you double check the number etched into the lower rear valve block on your original photograph as the resolution of the posted photo isnít quite high enough for me to be sure? If it is a 328 then this is the wrong unit for a 4.6is, which has to have a 353 unit because the B-clutch and E-clutch valves are different. Your upper valve block should have Ď075í etched/stamped on it, which is a further check.

https://i260.photobucket.com/albums/...pszousatxk.jpg

https://i260.photobucket.com/albums/...psr1fod0bx.jpg

https://i260.photobucket.com/albums/...ps45c303bb.jpg

Phil

aureliusmax 03-20-2020 03:34 PM

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So do you think I selected the wrong part (see updated first post) ? I was just trying to follow the instructions I've seen on threads posted here to select the valve body with the correct amount of coloured solenoids. Furthermore, many many times I have seen other users recommend the revmax rebuilt units. On the ordering page the part claimed to be compatible with 4.4 and 4.8 so I just assumed the 4.6 was compatible.
Quote:

ZF 5HP24 OEM Rebuilt, Updated Valve Body compatible with BMW X5 AWD 3 Brown 4 Black 1 Green Solenoids
Compatible Car Model : 540I 740I 740IL X5 XJ8 XK8
Engine : 4.0L 4.4L 4.8L
Did the supplier sent me the wrong valve body. Where would I go from here ? What would explain that the rebuilt valve body shifted through all the gears on an initial test drive.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RRPhil (Post 1179838)
Your transmission came off the production line on 16 October 2002 so it had all the final development fixes, including the stiffened A-clutch drum. Iíve just been looking through your post from the beginning. Although I realise this isnít the main issue under discussion here, from the photo in your first post that looks like a 328 valve body assembly that you fitted as a replacement? Can you double check the number etched into the lower rear valve block on your original photograph as the resolution of the posted photo isnít quite high enough for me to be sure? If it is a 328 then this is the wrong unit for a 4.6is, which has to have a 353 unit because the B-clutch and E-clutch valves are different. Your upper valve block should have Ď075í etched/stamped on it, which is a further check.
Phil

attachments;
old valve body lower rear valve block number
old valve body upper valve block number
rebuilt valve body lower rear valve block number

RRPhil 03-20-2020 07:54 PM

The 328 valve body assembly is an old spec. with the 9mm main pressure valve land width, the old design of EDS5 damper, the earlier check valve springs, earlier restrictor orifice one-way valves, etc. The 4.8L theyíre referencing is the 035 model of the 5HP24 which was used in the E39 B10/E52 Z8. They only made a total of 770 of these transmissions, but this model also used the 353 valve body assembly (the same as the E53 4.6is) so it is not the same as the 4.4L assembly. Iím not suggesting that this is the cause of your current problem, just pointing out that your valve body assembly replacement is the wrong one.

Back to the electrical/electronic stuff. The wiring diagram that you referenced earlier :

https://i260.photobucket.com/albums/...psdubwimnn.jpg

I actually produced for the L322 Range Rover. Obviously the E53 and L322 are close sisters but were you able to check that the pin connections are identical for the E53 from the newTIS info, because I havenít checked this?

Phil

aureliusmax 03-29-2020 01:31 AM

UPdates: Requested a return for the replacement valve body as it's the wrong one, As per RRPhil.

To do:
remove the new valve body from the transmission, and install my old unit.
buy and install a genuine bmw transmission filter, as per RRPhil claiming often times secondary brands can have the filter element sucked inside.
measure all the solenoid and pressure regulator resistances in my existing valve body for reference.

determine the canbus waveform and voltage specifications for my vehicle. start to troubleshoot the circuit and remove modules connected to the canbus until the poor signal / issue can be identified.

update the graphic in the previous post with correct pin numbers and resistances for resistance tests.


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