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baxterboxer 06-12-2011 09:06 PM

Folding Mirror Problem
 
hi guys. have a 03 4.4 and just noticed that the driver mirror now has some play in it while open to the most outward/driving position. when you hit the retract button, they do fold in fine. but when opening, the driver mirror will open and skip/bounce a few times when reaching the most outward position. i saw a bunch of threads on a broken microswitch for when the mirrors won't stay in the retraced position. my mirrors will retract. it is when you open them to the driving position, the driver's mirror acts funny. any ideas or experiences will be a great help. i am hoping i do not have to get a new mirror assembly. i can imagine this being very expensive.

thanks for any info.

o. l. t. 06-12-2011 10:31 PM

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z168 06-14-2011 04:44 AM

Thanks for the info. Mine is a bit loose as well

OT: what years had the power retract/fold mirrors? Weird i have a small button on my master switch but no mention on the owners manual

baxterboxer 07-05-2011 10:26 AM

Still loose
 
thanks for the tip. tried tightening the bolts. they were already tight. so, problem still persists. would have been too cool to have that be the problem.

it almost seems as if there is an internal gear that is misaligned or has rounded teeth. the mirror just doesn't seem to grab. does anyone know how to take the unit apart, if replacement internals are sold, or any other tips?

appreciate the help.

danny

Patrick-Irish 07-05-2011 12:53 PM

The mirrors are sold as one complete unit, excluding the glass and plastic covering. All the internals plus the triangular piece attaching it to the door are one part number.

mrbmwx5 07-05-2011 01:01 PM

I think i still have the folding motor....Let me check my garage.

Helmuth 07-05-2011 06:18 PM

Damn, I cannot find that any more..... We have a DIY here where one of us completely disassembles a mirror and replaces the motor with one from China.

Unfortunately I am not able to find that post .......... :dunno:

J.Belknap 07-05-2011 06:26 PM

For what it's worth....

http://www.xoutpost.com/bmw-sav-foru...ff-n-junk.html

Now, I've seen a near identical motor at a hobby store around my way, but for whatever reason, didn't get the specs on it. I'll have to make a mental note to do that. Curious on the specs of the above mentioned replacement motor from China.

danderson 10-05-2014 04:56 PM

I have the *exact* same problem described here. I see a lot of threads covering loose mirrors, but this one describes my problem exactly ('04 4.4). I've tried all the standard remedies - resetting with the fold/unfold, checking the torx screws) and neither seems to help. baxterboxer, did you ever find a solution? Thanks.

baxterboxer 10-05-2014 05:52 PM

i did. tried everything to no avail. i ended up having to get a complete new mirror as the threads on the internal gears were stripped. the dealer couldn't even tell me which mirror was the correct oem replacement due to the manufacturing dates. also had to get new glass as well. complete repair cost me around 1100 with friends who were auto body guys with discounts (yes for a mirror). keep in mind the vehicle had to be reprogrammed as well. the cost of this mirror was actually the last straw for me as i ended up selling the truck. too bad. loved the vehicle but it was the most costly car i ever owned!!

danderson 10-05-2014 09:36 PM

Thanks. I was afraid of that. It does sound like stripped gears. Love mine as well, but I agree that it seems like something always needs to be fixed. I think I'm just going to figure out some way to fix it in position. Don't really need it to fold.

thrillcat 10-06-2014 01:02 PM

BMW x5 E53 E46 2000 2006 Side Mirror Motor Gear Inner Part Repair Kit | eBay

I'm about to order this and open mine up to replace just the gears.

Junkycosmos 10-07-2014 06:44 AM

Thrillcat
I tried same. It's not too bad in disassembly, just mark the orientation. Also found on mine that the silver gear housing has two pegs / tabs that extend into the case and one of mine was snapped. The same EBay seller had the housing. Where I got stuck was figuring out how to remove the worm gear from the little electric motor. Without changing that mine still skipped a few gears but was much better:
http://www.xoutpost.com/983835-post3462.html

I ended up buying one from junk yard that needed quick micro switch clip adjustment as the mirrors would fold close and then immediately reopen. (http://www.xoutpost.com/bmw-sav-foru...lem-fixed.html). Powerfolding works great now and now vibrations in the mirrors dispite bad roads :)

Curios know your results with the gear set.

Dark_stranger 10-07-2014 07:48 AM

You can also buy the micro switches (albeit from the UK).
Access Electrical (Services) Ltd - View Product - Microswitch - 18mm lever - 5a - prewired

I also have faulty wing mirrors so plan to re-condition my wing mirrors next month with new gears & switches, plus I have ordered some of these...

Mazda 3 Side Mirror Sequential LED Turn Signal Arrow Lights - YouTube

and also swap the puddle lights for LED.

Motorsport1207 10-07-2014 08:37 PM

I rebuild my mirror and replaced all the gears and both motor housings, as both pins were snapped. Anyone wants to sell their damaged folding mirror I would buy them http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14...798893b0b5.jpghttp://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14...bdd702e2ba.jpghttp://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14...c72013ed6c.jpghttp://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14...dfb7bc218a.jpghttp://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14...0923f6db03.jpghttp://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14...4f9d8e44e4.jpg

X5only 08-04-2015 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Motorsport1207 (Post 1011732)
I rebuild my mirror and replaced all the gears and both motor housings, as both pins were snapped. Anyone wants to sell their damaged folding mirror I would buy them

I realize this is an old thread, but how did you remove the worm gear from the little electric motor, or did you replace the motor altogether? Further, before putting in the new outer large metal housing (with pins), the gears (new) and black housing rotate fine with no jams. But after putting in the outer housing, the inner black housing does not rotate and I hear the gears just spinning. I've reassembled and tried tightening the holding screws just slightly all to no avail. I suspect it's the worm gear slipping when the housing is tightened up. Or am I missing something? Any pointers? I added grease and the gears are new except for the worm gear. The assembly order is correct as I took pictures while disassembling.

Ryoken 08-04-2015 08:57 PM

what i did to remove the worm drive from the motor was this........
get a pair of pliers and grasp worm drive. with the wire cutter part then get a vice and open it till the motor fits inside and the pliers rest on top ,and then hit the centre of the motor where the worm drive is with a thin nail this will push the motor out , to put the new one on , i used a small socket to gently tap the new one back on .
would have been so much easier to explain that with pictures :)

x5factor 01-30-2017 11:26 AM

Hi all....I realize this is an old thread but it was very useful, so thanks to all for posting. Because of this, I decided to post my experience. My mirror was the driver side. It folded in but not out. I had to push it out with my hand and even then it would not stay out. It would swing on acceleration/breaking.
This is how I knew the motor was good. So I opened it up to check if the gears were stripped and the were not.

I used this to open the mirror.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsxDsxR90UM

Bought the motor housing from here.

Bmw X5 E53 Wing Mirror Folding Repair Replacement Motor Housing

I only needed the outer housing (left in picture).

Thank you to Motorsport1207 for the excellent description and pictures.

Here's how I did it.

I started by removing the mirror back housing piece as in the link to the YouTube video. Thanks to frenchybetter for that post.

There are 4 torx screws that hold the mirror on the top of the elbow hinge, remove those.

Remove the bottom cover where the mirror hinges. This will expose 4 more torx screws, remove those. Take notice of the positioning of the motor before removal. This is important as it will change the way the mirror goes back on.

The motor will then be accessible and will expose 4 more torx screws. Remove those last 4 torx screws and replace the housing.

My housing was cracked and had the pins broken. The pieces of the pins were still in the bottom part of the housing. I had to pry those out with a very small flat screw driver and needle nose pliers for removal.

Remove the white ring on the top of the damaged housing and place exactly with the same positioning on the new housing.

Reassemble in reverse order.

Total time took less than an hour and less than $30 in parts.

Mirror is good as new and needless to say the wife is happy!

Thank you all for sharing.:thumbup:

Ryoken 02-07-2017 01:01 AM

yeah on the first time I did this "Take notice of the positioning of the motor before removal" I didn't do that, and it wrecked load of my gears , getting the 3 parts lined up is a must, come to think of it , my drivers side still doesn't work , I got fed up of buying gears :)
might have another go if I can fathom out the orientation right on that photo

x5factor 02-07-2017 01:39 AM

Try this. When you take the first 4 torx screws off the top and remove the mirror, the motor will remain in place. You can actually press the button and see how far the motor moves. You should be able to tell how far you have to shift it. Good luck!


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thesalboy 09-18-2019 07:05 PM

Since I got my used X5 at 65K (65K miles ago), the mirrors have been a little floppy, but until recently they still folded in and out fine. Things started going south on the drivers side when the motor kept running and made clicking noises after opening. It started with just 3 clicks, but then became many more. Then the mirror wouldn’t open or close at all – the motor didn’t run at all, and the mirror was just a floppy mess that had to be kept in place with duct tape.

I got the most complete kit I could find on ebay from VIP KROM. I assumed the worst in terms of parts damage, and didn’t want to take things apart until I had the new parts to compare. When I took the mirror apart, the 2 pins on the motor housing were snapped, and the motor gear was badly worn, but the rest of the parts were in decent shape. The motor came with the gear installed, though I had to press it further onto the motor shaft because it kept the motor housing from fully seating. (The upright, outer gear also would not fit into the motor housing, so I had to drill the housing out a bit). But it all went back together fine. Before installing the outer housing, I could rotate the black plastic housing just a bit, just enough to make the end of the gear that lays flat slide in and out, which I think is to facilitate disassembly (otherwise that gear binds with the motor gear, and you can’t easily remove motor housing).

The mirror is now firm and not floppy at all. But on hitting the button, the mirror doesn’t move. You can hear the motor trying to spin, it just can’t. I thought maybe giving it a little help would work, but no luck. I can manually move the mirror throughout its correct range (and no further) without it making horrible noises – it’s just firm. Maybe the new motor is crap/insufficient torque? I hooked my old motor up and it spins, but I can’t get the gear off the new motor to install it onto the old motor to see if it still has the oomph or not. I removed the outer housing and hit the button with just my hand pressure holding down the black plastic housing, and as I eased up things started to spin (but sound pretty terrible/gnashing).

I’m 100% sure that everything is oriented correctly – took lots of pics and marked things. It’s not the limit switch – I fixed that a long time ago, and if I move the drivers mirror manually while hitting the button, the passenger mirror will fold (otherwise it folds in, then right back out, like it should if there is a limit switch problem on either side). I have the metal ring that rides on top of the spring that goes inside the outer housing clocked correctly – it is notched and can only go on one way. But it’s like that spring is pushing things down too firmly…? I greased the crap out of everything.

Any input welcome. Thanks.

Emory39 09-19-2019 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thesalboy (Post 1168937)
Since I got my used X5 at 65K (65K miles ago), the mirrors have been a little floppy, but until recently they still folded in and out fine. Things started going south on the drivers side when the motor kept running and made clicking noises after opening. It started with just 3 clicks, but then became many more. Then the mirror wouldnt open or close at all the motor didnt run at all, and the mirror was just a floppy mess that had to be kept in place with duct tape.

I got the most complete kit I could find on ebay from VIP KROM. I assumed the worst in terms of parts damage, and didnt want to take things apart until I had the new parts to compare. When I took the mirror apart, the 2 pins on the motor housing were snapped, and the motor gear was badly worn, but the rest of the parts were in decent shape. The motor came with the gear installed, though I had to press it further onto the motor shaft because it kept the motor housing from fully seating. (The upright, outer gear also would not fit into the motor housing, so I had to drill the housing out a bit). But it all went back together fine. Before installing the outer housing, I could rotate the black plastic housing just a bit, just enough to make the end of the gear that lays flat slide in and out, which I think is to facilitate disassembly (otherwise that gear binds with the motor gear, and you cant easily remove motor housing).

The mirror is now firm and not floppy at all. But on hitting the button, the mirror doesnt move. You can hear the motor trying to spin, it just cant. I thought maybe giving it a little help would work, but no luck. I can manually move the mirror throughout its correct range (and no further) without it making horrible noises its just firm. Maybe the new motor is crap/insufficient torque? I hooked my old motor up and it spins, but I cant get the gear off the new motor to install it onto the old motor to see if it still has the oomph or not. I removed the outer housing and hit the button with just my hand pressure holding down the black plastic housing, and as I eased up things started to spin (but sound pretty terrible/gnashing).

Im 100% sure that everything is oriented correctly took lots of pics and marked things. Its not the limit switch I fixed that a long time ago, and if I move the drivers mirror manually while hitting the button, the passenger mirror will fold (otherwise it folds in, then right back out, like it should if there is a limit switch problem on either side). I have the metal ring that rides on top of the spring that goes inside the outer housing clocked correctly it is notched and can only go on one way. But its like that spring is pushing things down too firmly? I greased the crap out of everything.

Any input welcome. Thanks.

I don't have input for you, but I am kinda in the same boat as you. I order a motor and the bigger housing to see if that fix it. Can you share your pictures? I am not sure if corretly pluged the motor back.

thesalboy 09-19-2019 11:58 AM

Found this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0y66AdlCLQ

My pics are below. I wonder if the cracks in my black plastic housing are the problem...?

If so, I need to do this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXgTCG2pggk

$140?! :wow: BMW E53 X5 Series Power folded mirror plastic housing repair kits(HGB9004+HGG8018+HGB6057)-皇泰企*社Wong Tai Co., Ltd

http://tcwerner.com/E53/Mirror1.jpg
http://tcwerner.com/E53/Mirror2.jpg
http://tcwerner.com/E53/Mirror3.jpg
http://tcwerner.com/E53/Mirror4.jpg
http://tcwerner.com/E53/Mirror5.jpg

Emory39 09-19-2019 01:34 PM

When I do mine I will take pictures. Mine had the bigger housing broke and the motor is tired. I got a new one on the way.

thesalboy 09-27-2019 09:02 PM

After a few times moving the mirror manually, it jammed and couldn't be moved at all. (This meant I couldn't close either mirror, and I have to close the passenger side to park tight to a fence.) Took it apart. Decided to troubleshoot it a bit more. Guessed that the motor was spinning the wrong direction. Switched the motor wires and whadayaknow I could get things to move correctly so long as I didn't screw the outer housing completely down. Realized I didn't grease absolutely everything, so slathered the motor base and plastic housing inside and out. Though it's no longer "manual" in the way it was before (completely unassisted by the motor), I still need to help it - the replacement motor definitely doesn't have enough torque, and there is slop in there that suggests tolerances are nowhere near where they need to be - but at least it closes now.

Overboost 09-27-2019 10:06 PM

I retrofitted power folding mirrors on my X5 almost 2 years ago with these and couldn't be happier. They are not factory but everything is exactly the same and plugs right in. No issues at all in 2 years so if you want a new solution less expensive than original, maybe these are right for you as well.

https://www.1aauto.com/2000-06-bmw-x...=741572&y=2004

https://cdn.1aauto.com/partimage/MRP...0132d9_490.jpg

Emory39 09-28-2019 01:26 PM

In the end, I received the motor, but it wasn't good I ended up going to a junker yard and discover that they had a landrover with the folding mirrors and auto dip glass, so I remove all four of those. Put the pasanger side motor, and now I have folding mirror again. BTW I have the driver side motor and the glass if anyone needs it. I might post them in the for sale section.

SpookX5 07-17-2020 06:52 AM

Sorry to revive this thread but I might want to retrofit powerfolding mirrors to my X5 but I want to do it as cheap as possible.

I have a question:
Is the regular mirror base the same as the power folding version?

Looking at pictures it looks exactly the same.

If they are the same, that would mean I could fit a complete motor unit to a regular X5 mirror and possibly plug in the wires or run new wires to the correct switch inside and it should work? :dunno:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/BMW-E53-X5-...MAAOSwjgFevdOE

thesalboy 07-17-2020 10:04 AM

I don't know, but vaguely recall from my researching fixing my mirrors that it is not that simple. I believe I came across several retrofit threads, so I suggest searching for them, as it's not really what this thread is about.

SpookX5 07-17-2020 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thesalboy (Post 1187850)
I don't know, but vaguely recall from my researching fixing my mirrors that it is not that simple. I believe I came across several retrofit threads, so I suggest searching for them, as it's not really what this thread is about.

Yeah, I have tried to fit powerfolding mirrors on an other car years ago but that failed. I have found some retrofit threads but they used new or used assemblies. Might be easier to buy the correct switch and complete new mirror assemblies like Overboost has done years ago. Found them for around 300 USD a side. :yikes:

Russianblue 09-16-2020 05:49 PM

I know this is an old thread but i guess a lot of these are getting old now ; )

anyway, I've got the floppy ears too now and need to replace. Sounds like the full kit is the way to go...like Overboost did.

am I seeing this correctly though? there are two kits available at 1aauto and it appears that the only difference is the puddle light and ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS! my puddle lights are so dim I have never noticed i have them. I'd happily save the $100. just want to get a second set of eyes (and ears:rofl:) if you guys don't mind checking.

$369 - no puddle light
https://www.1aauto.com/2000-06-bmw-x...98/741563/2005

$469 - add puddle light
https://www.1aauto.com/2000-06-bmw-x...99/741572/2005

thesalboy 09-16-2020 06:23 PM

I think the wiring harnesses and/or plugs might be different, but not sure, and don't know if you could work around it, though it seems like you could if you're confident with re-wiring. And FWIW I love my puddle lights.

aureliusmax 09-16-2020 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russianblue (Post 1191467)
I know this is an old thread but i guess a lot of these are getting old now ; )

anyway, I've got the floppy ears too now and need to replace. Sounds like the full kit is the way to go...like Overboost did.

am I seeing this correctly though? there are two kits available at 1aauto and it appears that the only difference is the puddle light and ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS! my puddle lights are so dim I have never noticed i have them. I'd happily save the $100. just want to get a second set of eyes (and ears:rofl:) if you guys don't mind checking.

$369 - no puddle light
https://www.1aauto.com/2000-06-bmw-x...98/741563/2005

$469 - add puddle light
https://www.1aauto.com/2000-06-bmw-x...99/741572/2005

I just got the most expensive options from 1A site, they had everything but the heat. These aftermarket mirrors are top quality and you can easily re-use your old colour-matched covers they snap in.

Overboost 09-16-2020 09:11 PM

My kit from 1AAuto had everything but the auto dimming feature. My X came with basic heated mirror manual folding so the auto folding and puddle lights in the new power folding mirror kit was a bonus. All the wiring and connectors were factory plug and play and mine do have the heated feature. My only bitch is 2 years later the paint on the base on the left mirror has faded and will need a respray in the coming year. Functionally, they are still perfect.

If you go with puddle lamps and yours did not have this option, you will need to enable the setting in NCS Expert. Let me know if you need help. :thumbup:

@Russianblue, this is a rare week while I in town all this week with no race this weekend. We should get together and you can see my 1AAuto kit up close and in person. PM'd you my phone number.

Angel.X5 09-17-2020 03:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Overboost (Post 1191488)
My kit from 1AAuto had everything but the auto dimming feature. My X came with basic heated mirror manual folding so the auto folding and puddle lights in the new power folding mirror kit was a bonus. All the wiring and connectors were factory plug and play and mine do have the heated feature. My only bitch is 2 years later the paint on the base on the left mirror has faded and will need a respray in the coming year. Functionally, they are still perfect.

If you go with puddle lamps and yours did not have this option, you will need to enable the setting in NCS Expert. Let me know if you need help. [emoji106]

@Russianblue, this is a rare week while I in town all this week with no race this weekend. We should get together and you can see my 1AAuto kit up close and in person. PM'd you my phone number.

Did you find the new door panel switch online as well?

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Overboost 09-17-2020 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Angel.X5 (Post 1191504)
Did you find the new door panel switch online as well?

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Yes sir. I bought a used one off fleaBay for $60 with the mirror fold button. No ZCS FA coding was necessary, they just worked.

80stech 09-17-2020 10:11 AM

Anybody wanting to sell cheaply or donate their old mirror motor /gear assemblies? I'm going to try working on a fix some day.


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