great thanks , i called the main dealer for bmw in the uk , gave them my vin number or reg number and that is what he told me , in the ike , yes the beeper in the back is working and sounds the long beep indicative for male function of pdc , yes i ran test 13 and gong ? came on and i pressed left then gong without ? but no sound at all , again read out says front acoustic generater off, all sensors ticking , pdc switch blinking green fast , still dont know where the flippin thing really hides , i am trawling googles picture pages in en mass , its nuts !