Slow&Steady, Thank you again for sharing the tips. There is no need to apologize, you did nothing wrong. I would have done the same thing. I still find it hard hard to believe that both the drain and fill plug is on the bottom of the pan.I guess I will find out when I do this. This is a first for me. I'm used to hondas where everything is easy. Thank you for the PDF file, I feel more confident tackling this job.