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Originally Posted by Maruzo
It took a lot of death and wasted time for us to realize what we need to do. And in the process the US has become the new epicenter of the pandemic.
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That's another issue, as mentioned. But is a political one. We have sheltered in place for 6 weeks which is what the medical experts have recommended.
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Originally Posted by Maruzo
I'm just saying, let's be better prepared this time before opening the economy back up.
Don't just recommend, penalize those who don't wear masks or maintain social distance.
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I agree, and I think the past 6 weeks have given us time for that prep. San Antonio has issued citations for such violations. Mostly to businesses. But the mayor has said a few citations have been issued to private citizens as well. If the leaders of certain localities don't do their jobs, they should not be re-elected. I know Wal-Marts (or any grocery store) here won't even let you in the store without a face covering, I was just there today for the first time in over a month and could not believe the difference a month makes. EVERYONE had a mask and many had gloves.
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Originally Posted by Maruzo
The fear of this virus might be ingrained on most people's minds, but there's still a lot of "brave folks" who chooses to do whatever they please without regards for others.
On another note, California seems to have peaked at 2,283 cases on April 20th. It was 1,913 yesterday.
Hopefully it's now on a downward trend, but we won't know for certain unless we see a steady decline over the next couple of weeks.
Without an effective vaccine, our daily lives may never return to the pre covid19 norm.
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Again, the car analogy applies. There will be certain members of the population who refuse to take any precautions. Think seat belts. Some people refuse to wear them. No amount of punitive action is going to change that. Focusing on those few individuals will not produce any policy that will change their behavior. Unless you are talking about killing them. But I doubt that.
I hope you are right and that you guys are at least flat lining. California is a huge state and I'd bet certain areas are going to do better than others. Texas' rural areas are barely feeling any effects at all, except for the economic ones.
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Originally Posted by bcredliner
I don't think most of us care about political positions. Most of the opinions have been about whether or not one intends to follow the guidelines provided by experts or take another course of action based on either their version of a good plan and/or for some their particular circumstances.
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Then you are only looking at it from one perspective. That of what is best, in a perfect world, from the guidance of the health care experts. If that were the case, I would agree with you wholeheartedly. We should all stay at home and live off our wealth. Government wouldn't have to hemorrhage money, under capitalized businesses both big and small would fail, and we could wait this thing out. We don't exist in that perfect world and many other factors have to be considered beyond what would save the most lives. I only mentioned the study because no matter the number, there is a correlation, between unemployment and added deaths. It was supporting my point (again no matter what number, unless your position is you doubt its validity at all and that there is no correlation) that we are trading one method of mortality for another. I was discussing honestly/earnestly enough to admit that the numbers of that study 37,000 have been looked at since then in other examinations who say the number is between 1500 and 37,000. I didn't use it as a "gotcha." I do remember it from "The Big Short" though I don't remember that line in Michael Lewis' book. Which is why I looked it up to see if I was passing bad information.
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Originally Posted by bcredliner
None of the medical experts that I know of have taken a definitive position on how long it would take, too many variables. I have heard one say only that it should be significantly better in July or August but that depends on how well citizens follow the guidelines to prevent infection. That included how much testing and tracing is possible and did include carefully staged openings of the economy in some areas in May and others out to June or July.
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I have also heard all of that, and agree with them. But those are not the only issues as mentioned above. If you aren't able to place yourself in the position of others and, at least entertain, that the cure might be worse than the infection we have a different problem all together. Which is becoming pervasive in this country on both sides of the aisle. A lack of empathy and reason.
Ugh, that was flirting dangerously close to quoting Trump. But unlike many, I can admit when the other side
might have the right idea. We have gone through pandemics before, but this is the first time a full lockdown has been utilized. We won't know what the 100% best course of action would have been, could have been, or should have been for many years. Which is why I emphasize
might above.