Originally Posted by andrewwynn

So this is an interesting note about the efficacy of the flu vaccine; it's terrible. It would have to improve quite a bit to become terrible.

With any luck any vaccine they come up with for cv19 will hopefully not be so nearly useless as the flu vaccine but I would not hold my breath.

The thing that bothers me the most about the flu vaccine is that its pushed so hard each year and people are shamed into taking it and get a false sense of security. Most years it's at best 30% effective some years almost useless (you can tell.which years because there will be a lot more hospitalizations those years).

I'm quite concerned about the prospect of a "holy Grail" cure. "what good is triple time if six months later you dick falls off".

@eod. What I noticed from the data is that at the worst the hospitalization rate like 5/100k and to no surprise the "one foot in grave" demographic is 8x the average but also as I pointed out the hospitalizations have petered off to almost background noise. 2/100,000 and that was 1-1/2 weeks ago no current rates.

Why is "hospitals nearly devoid of any patients at all much less cv19" isn't on a constant chyron can only be political and infuriates me. I shouldn't have to spend hours doing the job of what used to be journalists. As the well known song describes the concept of what used to be news is now dirty laundry. "if it bleeds it leads" legacy media doesn't care even the remotist little bit about the health and well-being of anybody. They are driven by the buck and scary stories sell. So the channels leap frog each other into mass hysteria and we'll here we are. CV 19 is mostly mass hysteria founded in facts by the real tragedies that do happen see Happy's post above but does a couple months of 10-15% higher death rate warrant setting back the USA a decade and $6-7 thousand billion dollars?

Of course not and when we have perfect clarity of past it's easy to say this but cv19 peaked mid April and it's over a month since then it's time to pull out the slide rules and look at some zip code statistics and determine where there is virtually no risk of cv and drop the masks literally.

I would give my mask to a high risk zone once I know mine isn't. We are intentionally kept in the dark (like mushrooms fed shit and kept in the dark). *people know* by zip code where is the risk they *could share it * for political and PC reasons they choose not to and 1000s did and 1000s more will die needlessly because of that moronic decision.

If the CDC simply made a shaded map by zip (county is pointless), people would know where they could safely go to a park, a movie, a restaurant. But they way this was horrible mangoed now 1000s of restaurants will be bankrupted, the ones to survive will have to greatly raise prices because they will only be able to host half the patrons. It's a disaster.

So: wash your hands logically (over washing is unhealthy you need some germs to exercise your immune system), wear a mask when it's logical. (not driving in your car for Christ sake), and give people a little bit of leniency. De-escalate don't escalate.

Peace.