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Originally Posted by crystalworks
I certainly am not for the hyper or draconian reaction that some countries took. Could PPE have been more available? Yes. Should our health care system be much more capable. Uh huh. Could bars and dine-in restaurants have been closed sooner, sure. They should probably still be closed. Could face coverings have been mandated in businesses sooner. Yep. Schools should be closed. But I don't know what kind of realistic approach could have been taken by the American government, under anyone's leadership you guys are looking for that would have greatly changed the numbers. If we are blaming the government, fine, don't focus on Trump. As Happy pointed out pelosi screwed the pooch too, in more instances than one. Congress' constant bickering and inaction is equally to blame.
We have the ability to protect ourselves regardless of other's actions. My family went through an initial shelter in place phase out of shock and concern as well. And was upset by people not wearing face coverings. But we've all gotten over that and are now taking more reasonable precautions. Home schooling our daughter, wear a mask when in any business, avoid crowds (especially those prone to have non mask wearers), no eating out, etc. The only real big impact is the home schooling. Fortunately masks in businesses are mandated here.
180,000 deaths (190 now?) sounds like a huge number. And it is, depending on context. But we have no idea what percentage of those are covid deaths (healthy person dying after contacting covid), covid contributed deaths (underlying conditions), or misdiagnosed deaths. Our family has personally had to deal with a covid misdiagnosis.
I am NOT a Trump supporter, but the continued outrage from the left has gotten worse than the outrage from the right when Obama was in office. Especially over covid, when both parties are to blame. There was an America before Trump and there will be one after Trump. If the executive branch is failing us, the legislative, and judicial are supposed to course correct. If you are unhappy with current govt actions, vote all the incumbents out.
BTW, thank you for your service Happy (and all servicemen/women who frequent the forums). And I hope your family has recovered from their covid experiences.
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I don't know how you talk about the pandemic without defining the role Trump plays in it.
I can certainly separate him or basically anything he says about the virus from my actual approach to dealing with this infection. Since most of what he said are pure garbage.
But I don't think the many supporters who chant his name whenever he tweets can separate the truth from his many ill-advised and useless alternative solution to the virus, including but not limited to: "wishing it would just go away, no more deadly than your average flu, do less testing, only pute on mask if you feel like it, shooting chlorine into your arm, and my personal favorite, hydroxycloroquine."
Focusing on the biggest problem is better than focusing on too many targets at the same time and letting your goal get wahsed out as a result.
Do I like Pelosi or Schumer? I have no opinion on them. They are not the leader of this country and their influence, good or bad, isn't going to change this country in a republican led senate with a republican in charge.
So it's not a matter of spreading the blame for me. It's admitting that we have a bad president and we need to get rid of him and bring in an alternative.
Right now that person is Biden.
I'm sure as heck willing to give him a try, after what we've went through this year.
Seems you can't talk about Trump in a bad way or Happy will be all over me.
But so be it.