Originally Posted by crystalworks

This is not a good example because no, I do not believe in seat belt laws for people over 18 years old. Nor do I believe in helmet laws for those over 18yo. I wear a seat belt every time I get into a car and would do so regardless of the law. But I should be able to choose to put it on or not after I've taken the time to buckle my kids in.

I've never been for governing stupid. I don't have a need or want to save every life out there through means of legislation. People die, it's a fact of life. I don't want to live in a bubble to protect everyone else. There are too many people on the planet anyway. A superbug (whether manufactured or natural) will come along at some point in the future.



These are different circumstances. But okay, I am FOR federal governing of certain things. I didn't mean for my statement to be a blanket statement against any federal regulation. The spirit of the statement was more against regulations governing private citizens' freedom of choice involving personal well-being. And again, involve one person making the call, the president. All of the things you mention went through committees and agencies to be regulated.



It's not that it's not worth the time. As I've been trying to say, it wouldn't change anything. There is no magic bullet to save all the lives of people who have died.



I 100% acknowledge he publicly pressured governors. If they don't have the balls to do what's right... vote 'em out. Congress controls funding. Trump was spouting crap and people take it as law. Even as an executive order it's one SC judgement away from being toilet paper.

Our city mayor and county judge have been fighting our governor on all the right points. And supporting him when he does the right thing. Our county has 1200 deaths. That's only about a third of the number that die in all traffic accidents in a year for our county.



I'm not sure what statistics you're using for the basis of that statement. Seems all of those states have fared about the same with all 3 doing better in one category or another. Texas being arguably the best as it's active cases are number 8 on the list of states with FL and Cali being 1 & 2 respectively. If memory serves Texas (or maybe just Bexar County?) issued stay at home orders in late March through April? It's all a blur now. But, again, stay at home orders aren't a magic bullet. We were never going to starve covid out of hosts.

Look, I get it. If you want to crucify Trump as the antichrist. That's your business. I'm just saying (and have been) there are better nails to use than his covid response. I think he's an absolute garbage human being, but I don't think many of the Congress critters would fare much better facing Saint Peter at the gates.

And I appreciate your saying my responses have been level headed. Trust me (my wife tells me all the time), I spend entirely too much time formulating them. I've fallen short of that in past, as have all in these threads, but have been trying to be more even keeled as there are truly much more important things to worry about on a day to day basis. At the end of the day we're all just some guy/gal behind a keyboard wasting our time.

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