Originally Posted by Nolimite39

The CDC and all of the pharma companies have stated that the vaccine does NOT prevent you from getting the virus and it does NOT prevent you from transmitting it.
That's true but the instances of breakthrough infections is low and the severity of breakthrough cases are less. If you are saying the vaccine is not effective that is false.
So what about the instance where one has had the virus, had mild or no symptoms and is a generally healthy individual? That person now has immunity (perhaps not as strong as the vaccine provides but that's still being evaluated). The vaccine which is likely 99.999999% safe has not undergone the necessary medical trials (decades worth) to state with absolute certainty that it will not have negative long term side effects.

While the approval of the vaccine was expedited there was no compromise in the SOP to reach approval. The extent of immunity of those that have had COVID varies and declines over time. That is the reason the CDC recommends still getting vaccinated. Approval of medications are not and have not been a decades process. It is safer to be vaccinated than risking the documented longterm effects that can come from having COVID. There will never be an absolute certainty.

I am not even going to discuss the legal implications of the different legal orders being passed now because that's a slippery slope into a political debate and generally I feel that anyone that gets into politics usually ends up as slime of the earth even if they didn't start out as such.

So now we are at a point where the vaccine may help one survive the effects of the virus. That's it. This is where we are medically speaking, vaccinated people are still dying though at a lower rate.
The percentage of deaths from breakthrough cases is extremely small. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...-vaccines.html The number of breakthrough cases should not be used as a reason to not get vaccinated. Even if the percentage was ten times higher the risk of hospitalization, ICU stay or death is mountains higher for those unvaccinated.

So why should one be forced by any government body to vaccinate if the only person it really affects is the person being vaccinated?
No restrictions or mandates would be considered if the unvaccinated were not the primary cause the virus continues to impact so many lives. I am free to drive whatever speed I want. OOPS I was going 90 when I rear ended your X5. What's the problem? You are free to stay off the roads. Would you like some 'mandates'd to see that I am less tempted to speed or be taken off the road?
In the words of Ice Cube "If you're scared, go to church."