[QUOTE=[COLOR="Blue"]Nolimite39[/COLOR];1213006]The last 4 items (number 1-4) were aimed at ard's very aggressive response not you BCred. The comment about personal attacks is sarcasm, again aimed at ard.
"The risk for SARS-CoV-2 infection in fully vaccinated people cannot be completely eliminated as long as there is continued community transmission of the virus. Early data suggest infections in fully vaccinated persons are more commonly observed with the Delta variant than with other SARS-CoV-2 variants. However, data show fully vaccinated persons are less likely than unvaccinated persons to acquire SARS-CoV-2, and infections with the Delta variant in fully vaccinated persons are associated with less severe clinical outcomes.
Infections with the Delta variant in vaccinated persons potentially have reduced transmissibility than infections in unvaccinated persons, although additional studies are needed."
The above is directly quoted from
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...ed-people.html
I am aware of that position and agree.
There are literally thousands of medicines recalled every year that carry FDA approvals because new studies are finding that they are directly linked to cancer. And all of these were deemed safe by the scientists when they hit the market, even with extensive laboratory research so excuse me for not trusting the FDA and the government that backs it.
https://www.fda.gov/safety/recalls-market-withdrawals-safety-alerts
The vaccine doesn't stop one from getting COVID or transmitting it to others so its moot to say "The vaccine does reduce transmission rates. If one doesn't have COVID they can't infect others."
It would be a moot point only if breakthrough cases were 100% of those vaccinated. Vaccines are not 100% effective and there are breakthrough infections though currently a very small percentage. Breakthrough case statistics are quite new so percentages vary. I have read studies that are as low as .1% to 2.5 %. The range indicates we don't have enough info to be accurate yet. Regardless, the percentage of breakthrough cases is extremely small. The breakthrough percentage will increase as more are vaccinated or if the vaccine becomes less effective from mutations. The possibility of more infectious and deadly variants increases the longer COVID is out of control.
Let me pose this question: If you are vaccinated and I am as well, I contract the virus and pass it to you, what is the outcome for you?
The chance you will infect me is very small but if I became a breakthrough case, because of being vaccinated the infection would be milder, very unlikely to require hospitalization, time in the ICU even more unlikely and death yet a smaller chance. If I am vaccinated and spend a day in a room with 50 infected people it is still unlikely I will be infected. In reality it would be impossible as I would not enter the room as I follow the guidelines. If you were not vaccinated would you spend the day in the room with 50 of your best friends?
Similarly: If you are vaccinated and I am NOT, I contract the virus and pass it to you, with is the outcome for you?
Results are the same as if you were vaccinated. It is highly unlikely I will be infected. However, not the same for you. The risk of being infected was higher so you might not have been infected at all if you had been vaccinated and the risk of being hospitalized or worse is much higher. Breakthrough case statistics are quite new so percentages vary. I have read studies that are as low as .1% to 2.5 %. The range indicates we don't have enough info to be accurate yet. Regardless, the percentage of breakthrough cases is extremely small.