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From what I can find the FDA recommended not using certain hand sanitizers because they exceeded the FDA requirements not that the allowed levels were reduced. https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safet...should-not-use
Very sorry about your wrist. Is it your dominate hand?
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It's mentioned on that link you posted after you drill down. But here is a more specific link.
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/pres...and-sanitizers
It's both hands unfortunately as you would expect using hand sanitizer. Not disfiguring or anything. Just very sensitive/painful and some visible cracking bleeding on joints. I have to use petroleum jelly and hand creams now or my knuckles turn into a bloody mess. Hard to open soda bottles now unless I remember to brace for the pain before hand. Fun stuff.
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What are the three most important reasons that brought you to your conclusion?
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Sure.
1. The vaccine is not 100% effective at preventing infection
2. It is not 100% at preventing the infected from being a carrier
3. The vaccines lose efficacy over time requiring everyone to "reup" on a 6-10 month schedule (they are still evaluating the recommended intervals)
4. Travel in and out of the US will always bring new chance for infection. Even if 100% of the US is vaccinated. 12-24 months (maybe longer) from now, when efficacy has waned infection will spread again by travel.
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I really hope it doesn't sound like I am berating the unvaccinated. My purpose is only to present verified facts in hopes some will change their mind and get vaccinated. Doesn't matter who they are. It's not about intelligence it is about drawing their own conclusion without considering or having access to all the research that can be verified by a specialist in infectious disease or organizations like the CDC and WHO. There are bad doctors, lawyers and scientists and the health crisis and social media that are enticing to make a name for themselves and being anti-vax expedites that goal. Most have little to no formal education concerning infectious diseases.
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To the bolded, agreed. Those exist on both sides. Misinformation is the greatest threat to our democracy IMO. Merchants of Doubt should be required viewing to all high school students to instill a healthy amount of skepticism and distrust in them towards companies and politicians alike.
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I agree that COVID will be around for a long time. But it is not a given that there is nothing we can do to prevent that from happening. We can't reach herd immunity without hundreds of thousands of those unvaccinated changing their minds, I'm not sure I blame anybody or not. I do feel very strongly that one is either part of the solution or part of the problem. I have no idea how many refuse to follow any of the guidelines, how many are never going to get vaccinated because of political reasons, because of their flawed interpretation of freedom, because they have drawn their conclusions from the media sources rather than infectious disease specialists, because they are just being obstinate or it is just part of there identity. I can understand being confused. But I see very little effort to resolve their confusion. I think they should have separated the wheat from the chaff by now. I view all of these groups as part of the problem. If there was another solution to controlling COVID I can understand choosing that route rather than vaccination but there isn't.
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Your position is very clear. As is mine I would think. You are placing blame on these people for prolonging the pandemic. I am of the opinion that covid will always be here and frankly, people not getting vaccinated has very little affect on my family's safety or freedoms. We do everything we did before now except that we take precautions (like masks indoors) because the environment has changed. Before vaccinations were a thing, non-mask wearers were a threat. Now they aren't. Now, it's their choice if they want to take that risk as I no longer worry about a serious infection. We either trust that the vaccine works at the quoted 90%+ rate or we don't.
To the bolded. So you believe that if there was a 95-100% vaccination rate, covid 19 would be beaten? Within the 6 month efficacy period we could go back to shaking hands, not wearing masks, and gathering in large crowds?
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The supply chain problems were exacerbated by COVID. Many weren't allowed to go to work, many were too sick to work or were quarantining because of the infection. Even with the vaccine available around the world there are still not enough workers to clear up the bottlenecks. Businesses have failed or don't know what they need to order to serve their customers so they have shortened ordering leadtimes. Buying habits have changed as have purchase choices. That still is the case today. Vaccination is best of what we have to curb COVID. Failure to be vaccinated perpetuates the supply chain problems.
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Disagree. I think the economic factors at play are much more to blame. "Just in time" supply chain. The blocking of the Suez. The inefficiencies of our ports. The increase of imports. The reason for not enough workers has nothing to do with the unvaccinated. It's more about inflation, payscales, eviction moratoriums, and unemployment benefits. More people are starting their own E businesses now than ever because they realize working like a slave to barely make it sucks.
https://www.piie.com/blogs/realtime-...uring-covid-19 Unemployment continues to drop because people are working or have exited the job market to work for themselves.
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I don't think that will happen. A flu shot is a vaccine. As long as the words COVID and vaccine are strong emotional trigger points anti vaccine folks are not going to get a shot.
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I think you misunderstood. I didn't mean the news would say "time for your shots, go get 'em" and everyone would. I meant those who always get their flu shots would also get their boosters. Flu vaccines usually have ~40% take rate (if memory serves) so I figure those same people (my family among them) would do so as well. But that it would be normal as it has always been during flu season.
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What is your source for the lack of effectiveness of masks.
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Not sure what you're asking. I always said masks were effective. That was the point. It was the WHO, CDC, and Fauci who originally said the general public would see no benefit by wearing them. Until they changed their mind 2 or 3 months later and said it would.