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1. Personal attacks really help drive the point home in a discussion, really proves the breadth of one's ability to get his/her point across in a civilized manner, I bet you're just as bold in person.
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I tend to be, yes.
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2. I never mentioned failure rates. I stated that the vaccine does not affect transmission rates, guess I should've specified further. The CDC along with their counterparts from around the world have all stated that the current vaccines have a profound affect on the alpha variant while the transmission of all other variants is not greatly affected.
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Again, this is either a lie or ignorant. The vaccine IS protective against delta. Not 95%, but better than nothing. Against delta pfizr is estimated at ~50. (note this drops after the second dose, moreso than the Alpha variant)
It is UTTERLY false that the vaccine has no impact on 'transmission'. It does. Period. We can argue math if you wish, but your assertion seems to imply 'why bother?'. It works.
It also prevents people from dying, RIght?
It is clear you have a narrative you picked up from Tucker that (1) you have 'natural' immunity, and (2) the vaccine is pointless against delta and (3) the vaccine will likely harm you long term becuase, well, its new. (Never mind there isnt a clear mechanism for these supposed long term effects. and never mind that covid DOES have some long term impacts. But this is your narrative that you twist the data to fit.
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3. When I had the infection (in April of 2020) I stayed home, didn't fly, didn't eat out, didn't go to school, etc. Not because I had to be told so but because I take responsibility for my affect on the wellbeing of the people around me.
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Wonderful.
Others seem to be happy to spread the disease, either doing their part to drive herd immunity or just a feeling that they enjoy being anti-social. These folks may need something other than their sense of societal well being to dictate their behaviors.
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4. This is the farthest thing from abolitionism, it is in fact the measured positive effect vs the potential negative. Now on the off chance in 20 years my liver starts to malfunction as a direct result of the vaccination that I was basically forced to get because my freedoms to do basically anything were being forcibly removed even though I already had the natural immunity that comes with beating a viral infection, even though the effects of the virus on my entire family were minimal, even though I am responsible enough to know when to stay my sick #$% home. Do I come harvest your organs because you're in the camp that forced me to get an immunization that ultimately led to a much MORE severe health implication for me or do I go after your kids organs since yours will probably be in just as bad of shape as mine?
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Why do you think your 'natural' protection from an earlier covid exposure is protective to the delta? Data shows that protection from prior infection AND prior immunization BOTH drop off. Do you plan on getting infected again with covid to get 'boosted'? So much more 'natural' than a risky injection eh? (and has the upside of being able to pass along your infection if you dont realize you are infectious quickly enough. I know, if other people are worried about getting infected from you thats their problem, right?)
Drs. Carlson and Paul (and the healthcare team at Fox) convince you of this?
Given 750,000 dead Americans, I am OK with the infinitesimal risk of some odd liver issue cropping up in 30 years. (I know, I know- thats an overcount and it was politically manipulated ...they were all likely weak, old or suffering from some other issue and didnt die of covid)
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I really don't have a problem with mass vaccination, my problem is with how it is being rolled out and as I think most of us agree with how this whole situation is being used as political tool for the people (politicians) we would all like to see removed from existence (not killed, just maybe sent to a different dimension or something)
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You are the modern posterchild for FOx. Covid was used as a political tool by the right- 'resist resist resist, lets cause this to drag out and that will hurt the democrats in 2020'...and now it is being twisted into some weird "Dems are using vaccine mandates to control society".
Instead the pivot is "Im pro-vaccine but anti mandate" and that will become the battle royale until 2024.
Get the vaccine (even if you had covid)..get the booster, wear a Fing mask, sit down, put on your seatbelt- STFU. Lets get back to normal life in a year.