I do have a laptop that's running an old version of HP tuners. But I looked at the HP tuners website and they don't offer any support for BMWs. I even sent them an email as to why because they do Lexus and even Mercedes-Benz and they said that there's not a high enough demand for them to put out a version for BMWs LOL. I will look up that thread that you mentioned. I bought this BMW knowing it would probably be a bit of a challenge but I did underestimate it a little bit I think LOL. As you mentioned earlier if the dealership couldn't get it figured out after 15,000 plus dollars, chances are is probably not something simple. That a simple guy like me will figure out easily. But I'll keep plugging away at it and see where I get. Thanks again for your help