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Originally Posted by Aleko
No, my whole family tree wasn't born in the US; as a matter of fact, I'm the first generation legal immigrant myself. I came here with $400 in my wallet and I worked my butt off to get where I'm at today. I didn't expect anybody, including Government, bend over backwards to help me in any way; I didn't demend any extra priveleges to make my life easier; I've never received a penny from the Government in the form of welfare, or any other social program; the only monetary benefits I've ever received from the Government was unemployment benefits when I got laid off several years ago; I've never bitched and moaned how difficult my life is, how unfair I'm being treated, how I have to pay my own education or medical bills because back home it all was free; I didn't demand the entire Country to learn my native language so that I didn't have to learn English, etc. I can go on and on, but you get the point. That's why it rubs me the wrong way when I see those illegal immigrants bitch about being mis-treated. If it sucks so much here - go home!
A person that enters this, or any other Country illegally is a criminal. It's as easy as that. Just like any person that enters my house without my permission is a criminal.
It wasn't really a personal comment as much as just trying to understand why you'd side with criminals on this issue. And you may or may not make more money than I do and pay more taxed - I don't know, nor do I care, and it doesn't have anything to do with this thread anyways. If you want to play "my dick is bigger than yours" game - start another thread for it.
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I guess you and I are discussing two different things Aleko, I don't defend people who come here illegally nor do I defend people who come here and live off the government, but, if your beef is people who come here to live off the governemt "how can you get government benefits as an undocumented illegal alien?"
If a non-citizen commits a crime (however small it may be) I think they should be deported and not given an option to return ever again, our country can spend Billions and Billions of dollars at war but we can't get our shit together when it comes to a border? I think if the border problem is fixed, north america's problem is fixed; as bad as it sounds a wall ala Berlin Wall would fix the problem for good.
I am the biggest advocate of busting your ass to do better, it's the only way to get ahead in today's world, but you have to admit some of these Undocumented Alient bust their asses and are here to really work, not all of them are bad.
The main reason the government does not accept taxes from the undocumented aliens who are really working is because once a single penny is accepted as tax payment that person constitutes as a legal tax paying citizen and North America does not want to make it so easy. If you ever met any undocumented person who is here to work and has no mal-intent you will see that they want to pay taxes but can't.
lastly, while I don't defend undocumented aliens you have to admit, when push comes to shove and you have to do whatever it takes to feed your family, you will do whatever it takes, in this case it's come to North America.