You guys may want to check out the Nokia 9300 from Cingular. I just picked one up a few weeks ago. I have used Windows Mobile phones for the last couple of years, and this one is so much more stable, and the battery life is much much better. And it works very well as a regular phone with it's flip closed. It doesn't have a touch screen, but it more than makes up for it with a huge keyboard and lots of hot keys for different applications. And if you like to do any kind of web browsing on your phone, the web browsing on this is leagues ahead of Windows Mobile.