Hmmm, yes, a good debate. Most of this is about a Landrover Discovery, but some of it applies to the BMW X5.
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Originally Posted by powers1
"Fire up the Td5 and its quietness and lack of diesel clatter is instantly noticeable. The engine revs very freely and feels comparatively effortless where as the Tdi always had you working harder to get the best out the engine. The smoothness of the engine is another aspect that is instantly noticed. Its easy to use the rev range of the new engine as well as it revs so easily."
This is what 4wdonline.com had to say about Bmw 2.5 td engine in the car you say you drove!Doesnt sound like the car you drove, does it?
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Yes, but they were comparing it to the old Landrover diesel, not a petrol engine. It revved very easily for a diesel, all the way up to 4200 or so.
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As I said,first drive an X5 3.0D,then make your comments!
I am surprised though that since you say you have driven recent Bmw diesels and you are still not impressed by the smoothness of a 330D,535D or 740D,or whatever one say you drove!I have driven all these and because they are AWD ,they are even smoother than the X5 Diesel!
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The BMW 3.0 diesel is much smoother than the TD5, no argument at all. I haven't driven recent BMW diesel saloons, but I have been a passenger. I have driven many recent diesels in the UK and Europe, from other European manufacturers. I think that most of them are very impressive, for diesels. IMO, and it is only my opinion, BMW diesels are not as smooth as BMW petrol engines. All of the reports say things like "very smooth....for a diesel." I agree.
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"DI petrol version........better payback for Bmw than Diesel,for passenger application!"
You are obviously not aware of current Bmw sales figures for Diesel cars???
The years of investment Bmw made in the Diesel sector seems to have paidback bigtime!Lets hope that DI can follow suit!
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I know all about BMW sales figures for diesels in North America. Zero.
We were discussing the US and Canada, not Europe or Oceania.
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If you say you are not anti-diesel ,why do you say that you wish that the X5 Diesel never comes to the US???Fortunately,your opinion is not shared by a lot of US members here!
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Basically, brand distillation. I think that a diesel in North America will weaken the BMW brand. BMW has a certain amount of money to invest in new engine product development. I just hope that they spend it on future engine technology, like the DI product, and not on the diesels. That is self-interest, because I want to buy a new generation DI, but I won't buy a diesel. A lot of US members here have not driven an X5 diesel. A lot of us have driven US diesel pickups. We know that diesels can get better fuel economy. We know about massive torque. However, if some further development was put into the 3.0 DI twin turbo petrol engine, it would be very close to the diesel in brake specific fuel consumption. The turbos would help a lot with torque. The fuel would be cheaper and easier to find, and wouldn't smell as much. The engine would rev higher. The engine would be smoother, because of the lower peak cylinder pressures.
Perhaps I can express it a different way. BMW is developing the V5. It is a minivan, in another guise. I wish they would spend the product development money on future engines. I would be likely to buy products with future engines. I will never buy a V5 minivan. I am sure it will be a very nice minivan. I just don't want one, and I think it waters down the brand. Just my opinion. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what I think, they will build one anyway. And then, we can all bear the soccer-mom jokes again.
Always a good debate, Fernando.
Jeff