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X5Flyboy · #96 09-21-2006, 07:38 AM

There are many good points discussed here - Let me say, I may not agree with all that's been said, but I'll defend to my death your right to say it - open discussion and equally divided opinions define a democracy

My only complaint is the "lie" label to the Iraq war - Before the war, intelligence from Russia, Germany, France, and Egypt all said Saddam had WMDs - history shows he had used them against Iran and the Iraqi Kurds - While the UN inspectors had said they could not find any in Iraq before the war, who honestly believed the UN could actually be right for the 1st time - After Clinton, our own intelligence services were decimated and we had to rely on other nations for information about Iraq - It's very easy to second guess decisions with 20-20 hindsight - But to say the war was based upon a deliberate lie, is the heigth of arrogance - it makes a nice sound bite - but is nothing but a lie itself - those that wish to believe it, only do so by ignoring all that was known before the war - history shows us how difficult it is to make decisions based on "intelligence", which contains both good and bad info - only looking back can you tell which was good and which was bad - But decisions have to be made - Carter showed us what happens when decisions aren't made - world events(and other leaders) lead us around by the nose - Mind you, I think Carter is a nice man, but he sucked as President - The media had nothing nice to say about Reagan,his actions and policies - likewise Bush - they both understand a bully only fears a clenched fist backed by the willinghess to use it - diplomacy only works if BOTH SIDES are willing to compromise - talking does not work against someone who only wishes to kill you

Read the news - These "Islamic radicals" have bluntly stated there can only be one religion and they will kill all others who don't believe as they do - Is this a "lie"? - There is a war out there and alot of the world refuses to see it - and personally, I'd rather fight it somewhere else than my backyard

On another note, history lesson - during the Renaissance, Swiss troops were the meanest mothers in the valley, plus the original "sorched earth" policy - it's that reputation that allowed Switzerland to be neutral through 2 world wars - The training to become a Papal Swiss Guard is one of the toughest in the world - there is not an elite soldier around the world that does not respect them

Elite troops are defined by their individuals, both leaders and soldiers - no nation has a monopoly - training, pride, and "seeing the elephant" (ie battle tested, reference to ancient times, standing your ground in face of this terrifying huge "weapon", Rome vs Carthage, Alexander vs Persia) help make armies, but it is the actions of individuals that raise units to elite or legendary - You have only to look at history to see how so many battles were won or lost by the actions of one or just a few

Wellington said after Waterloo (paraphrased) "It's a good thing war is so terrible, lest we grow too fond of it" - The last thing Bush or Blair want to to is send our sons and daugthers into harm's way, but we are fighting an enemy who glories in death to unbelievers and infidels (and their own) - until the Islamic religious leaders condemn the taking of innocent lives ( is that not against the teachings of Islam? ), terrorism will be the dominant threat throughout the world

To those that say Bush "created" more terrorists, I say you probably think turning on the light "creates" roaches.

If you are against how things are being done, what are your solutions? Running away, means we only delay the battle to a ground the enemy chooses. (NOT good) For all the complaining I hear, I don't hear any solution that is not already being attempted (other than running away)

WAKE UP! they want us dead and have repeatedly told us so. Another "lie"? I prefer Patton's order to "let the other poor dumb bastard die for his country", in this case , religion.

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