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Originally Posted by gresch
It's not a moot point juan.
No plan is worse than a bad plan. It's that simple.
To use an analogy, how is anyone better off by deciding to walk into a dark cave instead of climb down a dark hole?
This isn't a Dems vs. Republicans debate, it's a shitty political party vs. the other shitty political party discussion.
As Americans, we should be demanding a better government, not a different government because the one that is in power is disliked.
Hoping for a "good politician" is like praying not to have a hangover over drinking liter of vodka, sure it's possible, but not probable.
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I think you must be the only one that does not get it,
we need a change in plan regarding the war. Even Bush understands and fired Rumsfeld.

This does not mean anyone knows a exact plan today; but stay the course is not working! Bush got us into a huge mess and any plan will take time a cooperation. Bush lunch plans today show that he understands the need for cooperation. Hopefully the country will move ahead and both parties will work together.