Not really I give anyone shit for Wal-Marting or Amazoning a small business to death i do it in person too. I support small business because without it everything would be cheap and made in china...sometimes I have to pay a bit more but hey to me it is worth it to support a person trying to get a business off the ground...as for not being a paying member what is the point you people do little to none of your own maintianance so the tech forum is marginal 90% of the modifications are new fog light bulbs and angel eyes which are also the two most common modifications on every high school kid's honda civic, your off topic is fun at times but that is about it...and I read the detailing forum for the step by step stuff because I was a detailer for a while...which reminds me Phil have you ever thought of selling extractors? not the huge ones but like the 2 gal heated units? Anyway i dont see the reasoning to pay for an off topic forum especially since Greg is going to get fed up with me eventually anyway and put me in Time out if I donate money or not.

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