thanks guys. on the panny vs pioneer, i went to the pioneer lab to see the "test". don't take this as a pissing match, but... the best pioneers outperform the best panny.

they have every single make and model (lcd and plasma) on the same feed at the same time. they send through all sorts of stuff and you can see the difference and why the new pioneer models are better. now, the big question is, can you see the difference over typical hdtv feeds NOT from their test gear? probably not.... but it sure is good to know that should quality increase, the pioneer is in the best condition to take that challenge on.

also thanks for the info on the speakers. i am going with the def audio mythos with 2 subs.

thanks again