Somewhere between 25 and thirty years old when they begin make some serious bad decisions like drug addiction, commiting crimes and going to jail. Making bad financial decisions and thru the mess they won't listen to reason. And....there you are haveing to bail their stupid behinds out. Trust me it can be expensive.

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