ok thanks for that thats very helpful of you and lets me know what im looking for

just a word on your suggestion that I was asking about hooky software. I never mentioned 'hooky' software. I was asking where I might get the DVD from whatever source. When I mentioned downloading as one of the possible options for obtaining the dvd the implication here was that the software might be free to download from whoever manufacturers it (how should I know if it is or not). A lot of software is free to download. Once you buy say a Garmin vehicle satnav system for example, you can download the maps for free whenever you wish and as and when they make updates. I have bought a BMW with satnav, I have then gone on to buy an additional satnav system, so I own 2 BMW satnav systems currently, so its not entirely unreasonable to suggest that I might have the rights to download it from the supplier free of charge. Clearly this isn't the case so I will now try and source a legitimate copy using the information you have kindly provided me with.

regards

Rich