Well Barry,

I hate to throw my knowledge of film around, lol...

But I could easily argue that Rocky didn't lose. If you remember the movie, Rocky says, "All my life, everyone has always thought of me as a loser. I know I can't win this fight but if I can just stay on my feet and go the distance, then I won't be thought of as such a loser" (Yes, I paraphrased.)

So technically, Rocky did not lose. He won because he achieved his goal. His goal was never to win, his goal was to go the distance.

B

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