The other one I looked at was the 20gb version of this; I believe the model for both of these is H10. It uses a similar touchstrip to the Creative one, but was either oversensitive or didn't translate into unput when I used it. The navigation was also quite lacking compared to Creative and Apple. The Creative Sleek I mentioned earlier is available online for $224.45
. The last significant point is, that while I don't know how the ipod sounds when used in the X5, it doesn't sound nearly as good as the Creative when using earphones. The iriver has pretty good sound quality.